John_McMurray ,

Organs aren't fucking traditional, there's no choice there (well at least not initially)

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar
dream_weasel ,

"traditionally masculine organs"

Hotzilla ,

Like we call it in the Internet: dick and balls

zeroday ,

Oh look, it's me! I found out a few years ago that I have De La Chapelle syndrome. I'm actually a trans woman though and not a guy, so I consider it a bonus rather than a downside since it made me have very little testosterone growing up.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure it’s fun when some chud says “bIoLogY iS BioLOgY” and you get to say “I actually have two X chromosomes”.

zeroday ,

OMG yes it is - it's especially fun to tell it to TERFs who are all "but muh chromosomes"

Grandwolf319 , (edited )

Yeah but having two X chromosomes makes you infertile (I actually didn’t know that, just looked it up).

So imo that’s not a strong argument since you could say well two X male is not a “healthy male”.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

There are plenty of infertile XY males that nobody bothers to call fake men, I don’t see how that argument holds any water.

nickwitha_k ,

That's a Mr/Mrs Garrison from South Park take right there.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

we don't usually evaluate someone's fertility as part of their gender

Snowclone ,

Gender being a social construct makes defining it very wonky. This question the right is always asking to ''define what a woman is'' is really easy to fuck up. Is it chromozones? There is FAR more than two chromosomal makeups, in advanced lab classes that learn to test for chromosomal makeup, students are forbidden to test themselves, any classmate, and any family, because it's almost certain that one of those people will not be XX or XY, it's not that uncommon. So chromosomal sexing necessitates more than one gender, or rather fluid gender identity. It's it the sex organs? Oh no, you won't like this one, is it functioning sex organs or just any? What do we do with intersex people? They can't fit into one category by definition, then there's men who have kids, who think of themselves as men, who find out they have a uterus! And its mentrating! What to do what to do. There's a lot of men with half testicle half ovary sex organs, are they men? Well not if we go by sex organs now you need a bigger section of category because sex organs don't fit into two columns, it's far more complicated. So what do we do! general anatomy? Modern human biologists have a lot of data saying there's such a thing as a male typical brain, and a female typical brain, how fun! Maybe that will work, sure, but now you have to accept there literally are women trapped in male bodies and vis versa. So again, you need to be fluid with your gender definitions.

Every single metric biological data can provide all point to the same truth, there are not two simple columns where humans can be neatly placed that won't cause a lot of people to be miserable, misunderstood, or maligned for not fitting either concept.

Basic biology is clear. We are a VERY complicated species.

So let's just look at anthropology. Did any human civilizations NOT have two genders? Yeah A LOT of them. And even today we have examples. Anciently, Hebrews had 9 genders I think? Jesus mentions 5 genders. He dosen't seem to have any problem with them existing either. Well.. it looks like we're not the first people to find out that binary gender isn't the only option.

zeroday ,

IMO being infertile is a plus - can't accidentally have any kids, and can't be coerced into doing so.

Fedizen ,

well given the amount of microplastics in balls and forever chemicals in blood, I'm not sure most people can call themselves truly "healthy"

Omniraptor , (edited )

Have you looked into whether people with the condition are more likely to be LGBT? I get the feeling like it could be linked

zeroday ,

Last time I looked there wasn't anything particularly associated with being queer, but the sample set of people who both have this and know that they do is pretty small so who knows! Could be, and we could just be missing the data. Or they could both be correlated with some other factor

Th4tGuyII ,
@Th4tGuyII@fedia.io avatar

As interesting as La Chapelle syndrome is, it kind of sucks that most people find out they have this syndrome due to the fact it causes infertility.

zeroday ,

I found out because I was doing genetic work to test for Ehlers Danlos and I'd gotten my entire genome sequenced, so I figured I'd look for other stuff as well. I've suspected for a few years now that I've got some sort of intersex condition for a while because of very low testosterone and a weirdly fast transition, but finally got the confirmation earlier this week and wow my genetics are kinda a mess. Tbh I'm amazed that my code actually compiled XD

simplejack ,
@simplejack@lemmy.world avatar

Ironic that the comedian constantly bitching about sexual and gender identity has the same name.

ebits21 ,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

Dave gonna be pissed

A_A , (edited )
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

typo : unware ... unaware 😌 !
Edit : thanks for the correction.

usernamesAreTricky OP ,

Fixed now

CraigeryTheKid ,

Even biological code can compile randomly at times!

designatedhacker ,

You saying they might have an unexpected dangling pointer?

zeroday ,

Yeah, as I commented elsewhere, I'm damn impressed my code managed to compile and run. I guess life has a pretty fault-tolerant compiler at times, or maybe I was just super lucky to not have the errors be in spots that'd completely screw me over.

mkwt ,

It's all massive spaghetti code too, including spaghetti wiring. Terrible cable management.

noodlejetski ,
givesomefucks ,

A giraffe has a vein or nerve that goes all the way up to its head for zero reason.

It's incredibly inconvenient and difficult, but it wasn't before their necks were absolutely stupid.

naught101 ,

That's an amazing sentence

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The issue is that it traverses the neck twice, going all the way down from the brain and all the way back up to its endpoint.

naught101 ,

Yeah, I got it. Was just commenting on the poetry of the sentence.

emmeram ,

That would be the laryngeal nerve. It’s been with us vertebrates for a long time.

I take your, “for zero reason,” to indicate that it’s silly that it’s so long in a giraffe. And it is, because it connects the larynx and the brain, two bits that aren’t very far apart. You’d never design it that way from scratch.

But the laryngeal nerve’s length has a reason: it loops around the heart and it developed in our fish-like ancestors. At that time, it wasn’t silly for the nerve to wrap around the heart, because fish don’t have necks and thus the nerve was about the same length whether it wrapped around the heart or not. As necks developed, evolution found it easier to lengthen the nerve than to reroute it. So here we and giraffes both exist, having much longer laryngeal nerves than you’d engineer if you were making us from scratch.

givesomefucks ,

Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Why waste time with words when no words do trick?

givesomefucks ,

On one hand it sucks most people didn't get the reference.

But I like to think it was just because my impression of Kevin was so good.

Grandwolf319 ,

Yep, evolution doesn’t get do overs.

nickwitha_k ,

In a way it does. Just ask crabs.

RizzRustbolt ,

Fookin' casuals...

Plopp ,

So here we and giraffes both exist

Source?

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Your "good cable management" would be terrible for cooling. These cables are multipurpose, and their spaghetti flow is a feature.

Wogi ,

"you're telling me ALL of the wiring for the most important fingers goes through one tiny, fragile hole?"

RedAggroBest ,

Not really that fragile, you (generalizing for most of Lemmy) just put excessive strain on it by sitting at a desk and using a computer.

The other big one is brachial impingement because you all slouch and your shoulders get so fucked up they pinch the nerve for 90% of your fuckin arm.

RizzRustbolt ,

Can't pull them out.

They're ziptied.

kevindqc ,
MycelialMass ,

Fuckin hell, making tea and a sandwich, what a way to go

squirrel ,
@squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Also interesting in that regard Androgen insensitivity syndrome: Despite different root causes, it is something of the opposite of Chapelle syndrome. People who possess XY chromosomes, but possess female genitalia.

CreateProblems ,

I remember this one from that one episode of House.

zeroday ,

I really feel for the inevitable handful of trans men with Androgen Insensitivity syndrome. Imagine how bad it'd be if you were born with the wrong body, and couldn't change it through hormones - it'd be an actual nightmare.

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