GreenerFutures ,
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Capitalism is killing nature en masse.

Humans are like ‘a virus with legs’.

https://x.com/climateben/status/1763197052278669451?s=12

RhinosWorryMe ,
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Hoodedman ,
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@RhinosWorryMe @GreenerFutures There is no such thing as eco-fascism. It is an invention of true fascists.

iju ,
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@Hoodedman @RhinosWorryMe @GreenerFutures

To clarify, is your point that as eco-fascism is just one subgenre of fascism, we shouldn't use it as a clarification?

SallyStrange ,
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@iju @Hoodedman @RhinosWorryMe @GreenerFutures no it's that humans are not "the virus"

iju ,
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@SallyStrange @Hoodedman @RhinosWorryMe @GreenerFutures

Well, obviously humans aren't a virus. There has been human civilizations that have been in tandem with the surrounding nature. Problem is that capitalism as an ideology is expansionist, and tends to destroy cultures that aren't.

My point was that ecofascism as an ideology is often seen as starting with the Nazi Party (though argument can be made that the earlier "natural conservatism" could also be seen as the starting point).

MikeDunnAuthor ,
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@iju @SallyStrange @Hoodedman @RhinosWorryMe @GreenerFutures

Yes, but there is also a misanthropic, authoritarian tendency within the overall environmental movement

iju ,
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@MikeDunnAuthor @SallyStrange @Hoodedman @RhinosWorryMe @GreenerFutures

I haven't noticed. The European Greens as seen on the EU -parlament seems more social-liberal. The "deep greens" that are either "back to caves" or "the real problem is Africa" seems extremely fringe.

MikeDunnAuthor ,
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@iju @SallyStrange @Hoodedman @RhinosWorryMe @GreenerFutures

I’m talking about examples like Dave Foreman, one of the founders of Earth First! Who once said that “the worst thing we could do in Ethiopia is to give aid [to the starving children]–the best thing would be to just let nature seek its own balance, to let people there just starve.” This is a genocidal and racist ideology.

Others have proposed the “lifeboat” ethic, which implied that there wasn’t enough land, food and water for white native U.S. residents. Therefore, we should close the borders so immigrants couldn’t come and outbreed them and use up these resources.

Articles in the Earth First! Magazine that proposed that AIDS should be allowed to run its course, that interventions against the HIV were equivalent to wiping out other species, like whales and redwood trees. That we should bring back smallpox.

iju ,
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@MikeDunnAuthor @SallyStrange @Hoodedman @RhinosWorryMe @GreenerFutures

Hadn't heard of earth first, thank you.

Still, compared to the EU's green mep-group, that seems rather fringe. Also seeing how badly USA is managed, sabotaging oil pipes and the like probably seems like a much more attractive alternative than it does in Europe... Though the way we're treating green demonstrators, it's only a question of time when such radicalisation hits here as well. (Not fascism, though).

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