futurebird ,
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As woman who loves ants and loves capturing them on video I've lusted after the "Laowa 24mm f/14 2X Macro Probe" camera lens for three years. It costs. $1.5k

Now there is a knock off probe lens "AstrHori 28mm F13 Probe Lens 2X Macro" for about half the price. Really it's still too expensive.

Maybe I could ... rent a lens and try it out?

I don't think it would be useful for my pet ants, but for shooting in the wild? It could be amazing.

Anyone use these? Feelings?

futurebird OP ,
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I should not spend any money and just learn to use my current lens more effectively. Started by solving the problem of mounting it stably close to my tiny subjects. Tripods are a nightmare when trying to film ants in a box. I feel like I need something like... a crane arm? Like for a TV studio but on a smaller scale?

jerzone ,
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@futurebird
I've seen a variety of "booms" from YT makers over the years. Lots of levels of build/functional complexity in this selection.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=camera+boom+arm+homemade

Virginicus ,
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@futurebird One of those dancing robot dogs.

pdcawley ,
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@futurebird Check out the Manfrotto magic arm and a camera bracket for it. Don't cheap out on magic arms though. Here's an Amazon UK link for a kit with the camera bracket and a tripod base for it included. They're incredibly useful bits of studio kit; I've got a couple of them and I'm always on the lookout for more.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Manfrotto-143-Magic-Arm-Kit/dp/B0011EHRDM

Unixbigot ,
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@futurebird I can link you to the cheapie gear i use for circuit board closeups tomorrow, if that is helpful to you.

robotistry ,
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@futurebird Maybe the "helping hands" people use for soldering would help?

TrickTim ,
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@futurebird
Professional photography and videography places like B&H may rent lenses. Do you live near NY or LA? There are plenty of gear rental places there...

iDGS ,
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@futurebird Also, not me, but people out there do go-fund-me, kickstarter, etc. campaigns to raise funds for all kinds of things.

iDGS ,
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@futurebird Also, maybe adding keyword hashtags at the end of such queries might give them further reach.

iDGS ,
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@futurebird I wonder if maybe reaching out to other science and nature filmmakers for info might be useful? https://www.google.com/search?q=science+and+nature+movies+about+ants

pdcawley ,
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@futurebird I'd definitely hire one first. You might hate it.

Equally, you might realise that, now you've used one, you can't live without it, so there's risks both ways. Ask how I know :)

rdviii ,
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@futurebird in Japan, my wife rents specialty lenses for very reasonable amounts when she needs them, even when the lenses would cost several times that amount.

Alternatively, you can probably buy a spacer or extension tube that will effectively turn any lens into a macro. Quality of results you get will depend on quality of the optics, of course. Those extensions used to be simple mechanical things, but are now pretty complex themselves as lenses are more complex.

rdviii ,
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@futurebird that said, ants are wow-that's-tiny. Depth of field and field of view will be major problems. Most things marketed as "macro" lenses will still have a field of view of a few inches (10mm or more), with target audiences of flower photographers and the like.

futurebird OP ,
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@rdviii

Filming ants, everything is a major problem. Fast moving subjects that do not cooperate. Super tiny, hate light, behind glass ... Only after getting deep in did I realize that for my first amateur photography experience I'd picked pretty much the hardest possible thing to do.

But I'm still learning more each year and appreciate the advice.

futurebird OP ,
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@rdviii

But thinking about it more carefully, I don't think it's just a coincidence that I picked one of the hardest things to do. Because in filming ants I'm trying to get into their world, see the world the way that they see it, gain a vantage point on these hidden universes all around us.

And if it were easy, well, they wouldn't be hidden or as enticing.

There are so many things we don't know about even common insects. And we can learn just by observing them carefully.

futurebird OP ,
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@rdviii

I've tried this tube trick and was not happy with the results, when filming ants light is always a big issue.

  1. Ants don't like light.
  2. Lights are warm, too warm is bad for ants.
  3. Macro needs more light, in fact I've never had "too much light"

The tube trick ramps up the light issue even more. I have these small LED spot lights. "LEDs don't get hot" LOL BS. They don't get as hot.

I do not want to film angry half cooked ants.

rdviii ,
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@futurebird Roger all that.

pdcawley ,
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@futurebird @rdviii any macro shot is going need buckets more light; the inverse square law is always going to mess you up there because to focus that close you end up with lots of lens extension. Are you after video, or can you get away with flash? Something like the Godox Wistros will give you tonnes of light for your exposure, but focussing is going to be hard in low light.

Wharrrrrrgarbl ,
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@futurebird does infrared piss off/cook ants? The only such stuff I've done was videography of eyes in darkness (to eliminate fixation, long story), so no idea if the sensors are even good enough, but that's where my brain goes on filming in darkness...

futurebird OP ,
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I'm also curious about "Laowa 15mm f/4 Wide Angle 1:1 Macro"

This lens claims to help you photograph small things "in context" so with less of the "only one slice in focus" issue of my current macro lenses.

Unixbigot ,
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@futurebird depth of field is only dependent on magnification (and f-stop) . Any macro lens will have the same DoF at the same magnification and aperture as any other. Regardless of whether you’re using tubes, diopters, a cheap macro or a diamond encrusted one, you are stuck with the same DoF. You do get different working distances with different focal lengths. The benefit of a “good” macro lens is flatness of field, and sharpness.

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