futurebird , (edited )
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Here lies Irony, she was not well for many years, but after a valiant fight she is dead.

This would be ironic for any of the speakers at this event... but none more so than this man.

That people were hauled off by security for heckling him? Well irony would have had something to say about that, but as I explained, she is dead. RIP.

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  • obviousdwest ,
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    @futurebird Wait! What?! Libertarian Convention employed *security? I thought those guys whole existential definition was no laws, no government, do what you want. That would be like an NRA convention that had metal detectors.

    hazelnot ,
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    @futurebird "an"caps using the circle-A and the "become ungovernable" slogan is the funniest shit ever considering their perfect society is a corporatocracy even worse than the one we currently live in 💀

    ainmosni ,
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    @hazelnot @futurebird

    They do have a history of hijacking great terms.

    The US left sucks for letting the right define the language so often...

    itty53 ,
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    @ainmosni @hazelnot @futurebird

    They don't define words, they play with words despite their definitions. It's a subtle but important difference. That difference goes to the heart of why their brand of politics is just authoritarianism. The ultimate desire of the authoritarian is to dictate objectivity as desired, moment to moment.

    You could use the definitions they use against them and they'll just redefine it again and scold you for using an old definition.

    ainmosni ,
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    @itty53 @hazelnot @futurebird

    Fair point, but I don't fully agree, they defined anti-abortionist to be "pro-life" and the left just... accepted it.

    futurebird OP , (edited )
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    @ainmosni @itty53 @hazelnot

    The "left" did not. That was media. Who are not anything like "left" no matter what the right says.

    ainmosni ,
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    @futurebird @itty53 @hazelnot

    Good point, and that there's no mainstream left party in the states made it that there was nobody to really shout it down.

    futurebird OP ,
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    @ainmosni @itty53 @hazelnot

    Sorry for being a little snappy ... I don't think you are off-base and know what you mean... I'm just tired of getting what feels like criticism "if only the left would..." type statements that don't recognize the functional imbalance in resources. Do you know what I mean.

    This is David and Goliath.

    But David CAN still win.

    ainmosni ,
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    @futurebird @itty53 @hazelnot

    Oh, I'm cheering on the left there, but I'm also cynical enough to believe that some drastic change needs to happen if the US ever wants their overton window to shift left. I'm hoping for y'all it will happen as having the US become less right would be great everywhere, considering the influence the US has.

    Extra_Special_Carbon ,
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    @ainmosni @futurebird @itty53 @hazelnot The only way drastic change happens is by voting. There will be no revolution, at least not one that ends for the better.

    ainmosni ,
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    @Extra_Special_Carbon @futurebird @itty53 @hazelnot

    I will never tell anyone not to vote, and I will always vote myself, but do you really think that voting will change how things are now? Why would either the Dems or the Reps want to change a system that locks out most of the competition?

    Maybe I'm wrong, but most systems are designed to perpetuate themselves.

    futurebird OP ,
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    @ainmosni @Extra_Special_Carbon @itty53 @hazelnot

    Voting alone won't be sufficient. And if we ever had politicians bold enough heed the will of the people on popular issues at all levels we'd find new obstacles would arise.

    But voting can make a huge difference in the conditions we try to make these changes under. And the culture around popular control of government is a good start for the wider idea that people ought to generally have some say in the way things they participate in are run.

    futurebird OP ,
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    @ainmosni @itty53 @hazelnot

    If anything "the left" is hyper-sensitive to language. But, the left owns no cable networks, and no papers worth mentioning. Without a media machine funded by vast dark money it's not really a contest. This isn't about discipline, or educating each other. It's about raw power.

    The one thing we do have on our side is the left wing bias of many matters of fact, and our capacity for compassion and being accepting and supportive of others.

    So let's play that up.

    ainmosni ,
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    @futurebird @itty53 @hazelnot the left also doesn't own a political party, it would be amazing if there was an actual left choice in the states instead of extreme right, and centre right.

    johnmark ,
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    @futurebird @ainmosni @itty53 @hazelnot This part - this right here.

    Also: when I read "raw power" I heard it in the voice of Iggy Pop lol

    Wen ,
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    @futurebird @ainmosni @itty53 @hazelnot facts don’t have bias. They are just facts.

    FeralRobots ,
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    @hazelnot @futurebird I thought that was a 'shop but holy shit they actually used 'become ungovernable' with the circle-A? the irony is wild.

    futurebird OP ,
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    @FeralRobots @hazelnot

    Irony saw this had a grand mal seizure and died in my arms. Do you think we could argue it was a murder? That is what it felt like.

    Irony murder.

    scrottie ,
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    @futurebird ffs...

    audunmb ,
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    @futurebird Irony is not only dead, she's the victim of a massacre.

    drakenblackknight ,
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    @futurebird
    Libertarians generally want to be left alone. It's no surprise to me that they booed the guy who wants to be a dictator "on day one."

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