mekkaokereke ,
@mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io avatar

Again for people (racists), complaining about falling birth rates:

The birth rate for women over 40 is not falling. The birth rate for women over 30 is not falling.

What's happening, is girls 15 to 17 are having fewer babies. Kids are having fewer kids.

Also, this is an interesting way of saying that "Teen pregnancy is down, due to sex education and contraception."

In 1991 25% of 15 year olds gave birth before they turned 21. That's bad. Now it's 6%. That's better.

https://npr.org/2023/01/08/1147737247/teen-pregnancy-rates-have-declined-significantly

mekkaokereke OP ,
@mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io avatar

Y'all are literally complaining that not enough white children aged 15 to 17 are getting pregnant.

Do you even hear yourselves?

You know y'all are saying this out loud right? And that other people can hear you?

I'm running out of ways to tell you that this is a good thing.

I don't know how much you know about anatomy or biology, or how long 9 months is... but the things required for a 15 year old to give birth, are not good.

Less of that is a good thing.

mekkaokereke OP ,
@mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io avatar

👴🏻But Mekka! Without young people, our economy will collapse! We need fresh meat! I mean workers! To serve me! Always serving me!

🧔🏿‍♂️Young workers are smuggling themselves into the country, just to serve you. Will you let them?

👴🏻No! Illegal!

🤦🏿‍♂️
NYC has a 400K person blue collar worker shortage🤯

NYC has 10K+ legal migrants that want to work, but work permits are delayed.

If you were NYC mayor, would you:
a) Issue temporary work permits, and not enforce fed law?👍🏿

b) Make the migrants homeless?🤡

mekkaokereke OP ,
@mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io avatar

👴🏻But growing our population through immigration ain't natural! We should grow it like we've always grown it: through good old American procreation!

🧔🏿‍♂️A) Don't procreate with children. Not debating this.

🧔🏿‍♂️B) No, that's not how the US population grew

Shout out to all my fellow Americans that still believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny, and that the US population got to 350 million mostly white people, in only 400 years, due to the "hard work" of a few boatloads of frisky settlers.
🐇🐇💘

raganwald ,
@raganwald@social.bau-ha.us avatar

@mekkaokereke

“The reason it’s called ‘The American Dream’ is that you have to be asleep to believe it.”

—George Carlin (1937-2008)

otownKim ,
@otownKim@toot.community avatar

@raganwald @mekkaokereke He was spot on!

raganwald ,
@raganwald@social.bau-ha.us avatar

@otownKim @mekkaokereke

I think it was in the same routine (possibly “Jamming in New York”) that he said:

“America was founded by a group of slaveowners… Who wanted to be free.”

That observation feels more relevant than ever when the world’s richest man complains that he is oppressed by minorities, trans-people, and anyone else he wants an excuse to hurt.

He wants to be free.

mekkaokereke OP ,
@mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io avatar

But let's talk about replacing the births that girls aren't having as much anymore, with births that women can have.

  • Provide affordable housing
  • Provide reproductive rights, education, and care
  • Provide affordable healthcare and medical care
  • Provide affordable childcare
  • Provide women equal access to higher education and employment, and equal compensation

Then women that want to have kids choose to have kids.

adambkaplan ,
@adambkaplan@hachyderm.io avatar

@mekkaokereke affordable childcare requires paid parental leave:

  1. Daycares compete with unpaid labor of parents (mostly women). Most staff (also women) are paid poverty wages.
  2. Infant care is a loss leader. Staff/child ratios make profits impossible - business makes up the loss in the 3/preK years.

Give parents a year to take care of their kids, and running a daycare becomes a more reasonable enterprise.

Oaktag ,
@Oaktag@infosec.exchange avatar

@adambkaplan
Though I've heard that it's a trap for women to have a year of parental leave, breaks job momentum too much. Maybe 6 months allowed for each parent? A year if there's only one parent?
@mekkaokereke

JoBlakely ,
@JoBlakely@mastodon.social avatar

@Oaktag @adambkaplan @mekkaokereke
I do think male parental leave is something that should not only be encouraged, it should be made mandatory to end the career advantage to being an uninvolved or lesser involved or non-caregiving parent and partner.

mekkaokereke OP ,
@mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io avatar

@JoBlakely @Oaktag @adambkaplan

Yup to both.

Women don't "have babies." Parents "have children." I was very vocal about taking my full paternal leave.

And a weird thing about it being hard for women to re-enter the workforce. That's also not quite true. It's much easier for women to re-enter the workforce than people make it seem. What's hard, is for men to accept women who are reentering the workforce.

It's a subtle but critically important difference.

Jennifer ,

@mekkaokereke excellent post! It seems like the red states are hoping to "solve" the falling birth rate "problem" by banning abortion. More child labor! I kinda wonder if young people will rebel by just not having as much sex.

mekkaokereke OP ,
@mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io avatar

@Jennifer

To some extent, that's already happening.🤷🏿‍♂️

When I say that a lot of straight men don't even like women, I'm not talking about sexual attraction. Yes, they are sexually attracted to women. But they don't like women. They don't want women to have agency, or autonomy. They don't want to have conversations with women.

Women feel that. It's impossible to ignore. So women are choosing not to date men that are so very loud about their "political" stance built around not liking women.

Npars01 ,
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birdpoof ,
@birdpoof@universeodon.com avatar

@Npars01 @Jennifer @mekkaokereke

Yikes. This seems extreme.... and yet given the state of the world (and especially climate change, peering into the future), one wonders if having children to inherit the utter mess is cruel.

deathkitten ,

@Npars01 @Jennifer @mekkaokereke Considering how hard those procedures used to be to access under 30 until Obamacare included them in the required coverage, watch that the next vector GOP is going to head for is trying to stop access to them unless you have a life threatening condition, have spit out multiple kids already, and are of a certain age (aka beyond ideal child bearing years).

I remember my mom telling me about how she'd asked for a tubal after my brother was born (her second child) and the doctor actually started to argue with her about it because she was still under 30 and well within her prime to have kids. She got it in the end, but the fact that it was still a fight after she had two healthy kids? Fuck that noise. We need to be prepared to defend this front for the kids coming up behind the zoomers, to make sure the door doesn't get closed for them again.

mekkaokereke OP ,
@mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io avatar

@deathkitten @Npars01 @Jennifer

Some doctors go so far as to imply that a woman needs spousal consent before tubal ligation.😮

https://www.businessinsider.com/a-woman-needed-husbands-consent-to-get-her-tubes-tied-2020-2

deathkitten ,

@mekkaokereke @Npars01 @Jennifer I think that was one of the arguments the doctor tried to throw at my mom. I've also heard from people in the childfree community where doctors would being up hypothetical husbands as well:

"What if your future husband wants kids?"
"You mean the one I haven't even met because I'm not dating anyone? Then clearly he's not the right husband for me."
"But."
"No."

Used to be that the husband's consent was needed for abortions in some states too.

Jennifer ,

@deathkitten @Npars01 @mekkaokereke that is exactly what I was told in the 90s before I got married, maybe my husband would want kids. Then when I got married and neither of us wanted kids I still couldn't find a doctor to do it because I was still too young and "might change my mind."

energisch_ ,
@energisch_@troet.cafe avatar

@Jennifer a patriarchal world we live in - we really need to take a stand and take it back. That freedom of decision was stolen from us. @deathkitten @Npars01 @mekkaokereke

ojensen ,
@ojensen@hachyderm.io avatar

@deathkitten @Npars01 @mekkaokereke @Jennifer it's wild when a non-existent hypothetical man has more rights over your body than you do.

deathkitten ,

@ojensen @Npars01 @mekkaokereke @Jennifer It's wild that just by having a uterus, I have less bodily autonomy than a corpse. We literally have more respect for a dead person's preference over if organs they aren't even using anymore are allowed to be transplanted to save a life, than we do for anyone with a uterus to choose if we should use it or not.

That is completely fucked up.

janisf ,
@janisf@mstdn.social avatar

@deathkitten @Npars01 @mekkaokereke @ojensen @Jennifer Republicans in red states aren't done, and they've been very clever about getting much of their agenda federalized.

Npars01 ,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar
paninid ,
@paninid@mastodon.world avatar

@Npars01 @janisf @deathkitten @mekkaokereke @ojensen @Jennifer
Crusaders gonna crusade 🤷🏻‍♂️

bynkii ,
@bynkii@mastodon.social avatar

@mekkaokereke @deathkitten @Npars01 @Jennifer but a woman’s consent is never needed for a vasectomy. 🙄🫠

deathkitten ,

@bynkii @mekkaokereke @Npars01 @Jennifer Of course not, because cis men have bodily autonomy!

neptune22222 ,
@neptune22222@kolektiva.social avatar

@mekkaokereke @deathkitten @Npars01 @Jennifer

We have 3 illegitimate supreme court justices appointed by Trump that allowed this to happen. 😠

Npars01 ,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar

@neptune22222 @mekkaokereke @deathkitten @Jennifer

#TranslatedFromTheRepublican

"We have three Supreme Court Justices who were purchased from Trump.

Barre Seid paid $1.6 billion to overturn Roe vs Wade.

Koch bought a decision to disable the EPA & the right to continue frying the planet.

Harlan Crow bought voter suppression.

Jeffrey Yass bought an end to taxation on the rich.

Larry Ellison, Uihlein, & Hendricks funded a coup to sell American democracy to the highest foreign bidder."

callisto ,
@callisto@disabled.social avatar

@deathkitten @Npars01 @mekkaokereke @Jennifer Yup. The constitutional amendment we passed in Ohio last year protects ALL reproductive health care and decisions about reproduction. It was written that way for a reason.

deirdresm ,
@deirdresm@hachyderm.io avatar

@deathkitten @Npars01 @mekkaokereke @Jennifer

I was over 30, never married (back then), and couldn't find someone to do sterilization until I'd had a second abortion. Because it was life threatening, my doc would do the tubal, but insurance wouldn't approve it.

So…never got one.

lapt0r ,
@lapt0r@infosec.exchange avatar

@Npars01 @Jennifer @mekkaokereke I'd like to welcome red state governments to the "find out" portion of the program.

The people orchestrating this have been marinating in their monoculture for so long they forgot "having kids" is not non-negotiable.

cohomologyisFUN ,
@cohomologyisFUN@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@lapt0r @Npars01 @Jennifer @mekkaokereke I’m worried they will try to outlaw oral contraception or sterilization at some point

paninid ,
@paninid@mastodon.world avatar

@cohomologyisFUN @lapt0r @Npars01 @Jennifer @mekkaokereke

This will 💯 be the plan.

is their ethos, whether they are self-aware of it or not (usually not).

Npars01 ,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar
mangotable ,
@mangotable@famichiki.jp avatar

@Npars01 a plot twist I didn’t expect 🫤

Npars01 ,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar

@mangotable

Slaves have always used self-mutilation to thwart their owners or been subject to forced sterilization by their owners.

https://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/show/hidden-voices/resisting-enslavement/reproduction-and-resistance
https://wlrc.uic.edu/reproductive-oppression-against-black-women/
https://theintercept.com/2020/09/17/forced-sterilization-ice-us-history/
https://www.history.com/news/the-father-of-modern-gynecology-performed-shocking-experiments-on-slaves

Republican megadonors like Jeffrey Yass, Barry Seid, & Leonard Leo believe they should possess a woman's agency & autonomy, and not women themselves.

Abortion bans are resurrected slavery.

chasseur ,
@chasseur@hachyderm.io avatar

@mekkaokereke This always gets me... America is one of the luckiest countries in the world in that millions of people want to come here and work. On average, every immigrant grows the economy and makes Americans richer. We can completely dodge the "demographic crisis" facing rich countries by just letting the people who want to come here in.

Are you a patriot who wants a strong and prosperous America? Then you better not be an anti-immigrant xenophobe.

chriswho ,
@chriswho@mstdn.social avatar

@chasseur @mekkaokereke Modern American history just seems to be replete with folks only to happy to work and vote against their own interests.

I'm Canadian, and just taking into account the Syrian refugees by themselves, we've seen many not only do well but start business that then go on and employ dozens of Canadians or more.

Immigration is a win/win/win, but one has to actually want one's country to succeed no matter who's in government and that doesn't work for Conservatives.

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    @philip_cardella Thanks! Every once in a while the synapses spark. Promise not to do it again for a while. ;-)

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