CharlesDarwin ,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

This is a feature for the cons. If someone thinks they can be shamed out of it, they are delusional or just extremely low-info.

caveman8000 ,

ITT: Bitches that ain't gonna do shit.

Happywop ,

So if this dystopian scenario actually comes to pass...I wouldn't be surprised if it was open season on SCOTUS judges and their ilk...you want 2A motherfcukers? they seem to forget THEY are the MINORITY

APassenger ,

Which justices do you think get gone?

I don't think it's the corrupt ones. He can do whatever, he can pardon. And now when he says do "x" it Is a Constitutional order.

Even if it's not.

kibiz0r ,

Can we please be done with the term “the quiet part”?

Default_Defect ,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

Hasn't been actually quiet in a long, long time.

Today ,

And unprecedented!

Today ,

And dog whistle!

jettrscga ,

kibiz0r SLAMMED "the quiet part"

carl_dungeon ,

And his dumbfuck followers would murder people to ensure it happens!

Nobody ,

If we're for real getting a dictator, let's at least be smart about it. Don't give it to the conman or the insane Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society christofascists. What's Gen. Mattis doing these days? He'd make an excellent dictator.

JimSamtanko ,

Keep this in mind when you see the bots urging you not to vote against him here on lemmy. Maybe call them out for trying to destroy democracy.

And vote like lives depend on it.

grue ,

Voting is the beginning of acting to defend yourself from tyranny, not the end.

jumjummy ,

Absolutely, especially those idiotic accounts like respectology and givesomefucks that try and play the “I’m not voting for Biden” but Trump is also a terrible choice angle. Both Side noise for sure (or they truly are that naive and foolish).

JimSamtanko ,

I think Givesomefucks might be somewhat legit. But the other one… yeah. I can’t agree more.

Ferrous ,

This logic isn't sustainable.

30 years from now you'll still be arguing against leftists for not voting for 99% hitler as opposed to 100% hitler.

I swear, liberals will still be screeching about "if you don't vote for the candidate who wants 3 genocides as opposed to the one who wants 5, you are a Russian bot!"

Lesser evilism is what got us here. The American experiment has run its course and we have a duty to dismantle it.

JimSamtanko ,

How do you think it’ll go down when Trump is elected? Hmmm? Think held going to go easy on them? Or you?

Djtecha ,

This is a bullshit argument. You want strong progressive change? Run in down races to prove the platform works first. Gain momentum instead of going for the gold ring on your first try.

Ferrous ,

"Not getting gold ring on the first try" -> "uninhibited genocide"

New genocide euphamism just dropped.

Djtecha ,

OK... Still a dumb position.

BrokenGlepnir ,

You can't say lesser evilism got us here when we chose the greater evil in the election before last. If we kept voting lesser evil maybe, but we don't consistently. Not nearly enough to make the greater evil not think they stand a chance without lessening themselves.

EnderWiggin ,

I'm pretty new to Lemmy and was really hoping this wouldn't be the same level of problem as it is everywhere else. Oh what a sweet summer child I am, apparently.

JimSamtanko ,

Yeah, they’re pretty bad here.

nondescripthandle ,

I don't really think it's 'the quiet part' anymore if it's been explicitly legalized. At this point its just 'the part' because the consolidated power is already here right now.

lettruthout ,

If there's any good in recent events it's that Trump may be more frequently saying this quiet part out loud - thereby changing the vote of a few that otherwise weren't paying attention.

KillerTofu ,

He flat out said he was going to be a dictator. . It’s not like people weren’t listening they either don’t care or think they will be spared as long as they own the libs.

homesweethomeMrL ,

He did. And the low-level supporters i know who vote republiQan in their sleep don’t “believe” it means anything. It’s beyond me. I’m so fucking horrified we’re doing this AGAIN. For fuck’s sake.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, I figured most of them want a dictator because they believe the leopards won't eat their faces.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Only many of them. The rest are confusedly marching along and seig heiling.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

If they're capable of not wanting a dictator, even if he's on their "team," there's some hope, though once he's in power it will be too late to do anything about it.

kinsnik ,

It’s not that they doing believe it. They want it. A sizable part of the US (and any country tbh) would prefer that there was a single person with all the authority

gibmiser ,

They want daddy to take care of them.

Effective Democracy requires an informed populace to make hard decisions (vote) about difficult and nuanced situations.

Dictators tell everyone the problem is easy to fix and that they will fix it. Usually they find a scapegoat to blame.

They are people who are frustrated by the complexity of real life and want someone to take care of everything for them.

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Could Biden use that ruling to just stay president, but leave them the opportunity to repeal it? Illustrate how dangerous it is while still giving the system a chance to self-correct.

homesweethomeMrL ,

He could. He won’t.

TimLovesTech ,
@TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social avatar

Yep, the Court did this all to set the stage for Trump knowing that Biden (or Dems) wouldn't abuse the new power.

But since they aren't going to abuse it they should be on every news station every night till the election explaining the danger of the Court. Hold press conferences everyday, make the Republicans have to take a stance on a Supreme Court writing new law instead of adjudicating cases like they are supposed to be doing. Make it so everyone that doesn't normally follow the news finds out they just set the stage for Trump (or the next even further right fascist) winning.

SecretSauces ,
@SecretSauces@lemmy.world avatar

The thing is, the Dems CANT abuse the power. If they do, they'll get crucified by both sides for it. And that's what the Republicans want. They're simultaneously making it so they'll stay in power when its their turn, and daring the Dems to do it knowing it won't go well for them. Its a win-win in their eyes. Especially while you have some of your people sitting on the highest court in the country.

And this is the flaw with a two-party system. If one party decides to play dirty, the other is either forced to play just as dirty to keep up, (devolving into anarchy) or trying to play by the rules and getting blocked by the other team at every turn.

IphtashuFitz ,

IF Trump actually wins the election then I hope Biden goes full scorched earth with the powers that the SCOTUS granted. He’ll have nothing to lose at that point.

TimLovesTech ,
@TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social avatar

He won't though, because he's basically a moderate Republican that wants to both sides everything. He's afraid to offend the same people stabbing him in the back.

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

That's why he should leave the door open for scotus to repeal their decision; and be VERY vocal about exactly what he's doing. "I am 100% abusing this new power granted by the scotus in order to shine the spotlight on just how dangerous it is; consider the damage I could be doing right now if my intent was malicious. What I'll do instead is wait for the scotus to wake up and revise their incredibly bad decision, concluding the power I shouldn't have in the first place and forcing me to step down as my position requires."

DessertStorms , (edited )
@DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

What is happening now is the system self correcting. It was designed to concentrate immense power in the hands of a select, corrupt, few, all we're seeing now is the illusions they've piled on to that slowly dissolve as they no longer need to keep up pretences.

MartianSands ,

No. The ruling seems to have said that he can do anything he likes in his capacity as president, and he can't be convicted of any criminal offence for it. It didn't say that the people around him would have to go along with it, or that they'd be immune from prosecution.

It also left convenient wriggle room for the court to arbitrarily decide what constituted "official" actions, rather than him doing something privately, so they've effectively granted themselves a get out of jail free card to decide case-by-case in the future

xenomor ,

The president has the power to pardon the people around him.

MartianSands ,

True, I didn't consider that. He'd still have to convince them though, which would be easier said than done if he wanted to entirely disregard the constitution

xenomor ,

I have confidence in the ability of someone like trump to surround himself with exactly the type of people who would gladly take such leaps.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

As someone pointed out to me, it's federal crimes.

So if he asks you to do something that he's shielded from, but is a state crime, youre SOL

grue ,

Murder is generally a state offense, but since D.C. is a Federal district, I'm pretty sure murders that occur there would be pardonable.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Dear Mr Person I Want to Murder

It would be lovely if you could come visit me in DC. I have a great murder opportunity I'd like to discuss with you

Sincerely Trump

grue ,

I think you lost the discussion thread a little bit. We're talking about what Biden could do about the corrupt Supreme Court justices. They're definitely in D.C. already.

NotMyOldRedditName , (edited )

Not really.

Pardons come up, I mention federal only, you mention murder, and then I make a joke about it.

You think Biden is gonna murder someone?

grue ,

You think Biden is gonna murder someone?

LOL, no.

But I do think that the fascist SCOTUS judges just gave him that power, and that Biden demonstrating just how terrible a power it is by using it to get rid of them might be the only way to get the decisions overturned and stop the US from becoming a dictatorship.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

The only two ways are pretty much what you said, or a massive blue wave in November that gives the dems a supermajority in the senate and a majority in the house.

AKA the USA is fucked.

grue ,

Sigh... yep.

Theprogressivist ,
@Theprogressivist@lemmy.world avatar

"without fear of punishment or restraint."

This is what happens when you normalize a fucking Fascist instead of taking him down when you motherfuckers had the chance.

homesweethomeMrL ,

I hope he’s ready for the fate of kings. Actually, i take that back. I don’t give a shit what that bloated rapist felon demented sociopath is ready for. His 15 minutes were up in the 80s. Obviously no one in an official capacity is able to take care of fucking business.

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

If he does become a true dictator, I wouldn't be surprised by him dying of old age. The fascist he hands his power down to however, they might see the fate of kings.

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