It's just exhausting to see them saying this dumb as fuck bullshit and they stay in office term after term. The 14th Amendment is about crimes, not no-fault divorces.
Repubs love ignoring amendments unless they are able to make create sort of fiction that an amendment supports their claims. We have this dumb shit going on while at the same time they're trying to jam religious trash in the schools.
Beverly Willett, a writer and attorney, argues that unilateral no-fault divorce is also unconstitutional because it violates a person’s 14th amendment right to due process.
The defendant “has absolutely no recourse to say, ‘Wait a minute. I don’t want to be divorced, and I don’t think that there are grounds for divorce. I would like to be heard. I would like to call witnesses,’” said Willett, who experienced a divorce she didn’t want because she thought her marriage could be saved. “I believed in my vows” and “didn’t want to give up”.
What witnesses do you need other than the one person saying "I no longer love them and have no desire to put any more effort into making it work."
Conservatives really have no empathy don't they? "This is what I want so it doesn't matter what you want."
I think I know why they divorced you...
Are they going to start demanding witnesses before you can break up with someone you're dating too?
DATING!!!!???? You filthy hoarslaut, you should be burned at the stake. The females are to go straight from the ownership of their parents to their husband's bed at age 14, lest they become ugly 18 year old spinsters no honest Trump fearing man would want. The males are to work in the mines 20 hours a day and learn to hate women so they'll prefer to marry a little girl at age 40.
Ah Republicans when faced with the fact that they're shitty husbands and get divorced at higher rates than in the past, instead of looking inwards and trying to figure out why less people want to fuck and stay married to their shitty views, simply want to outlaw women and men to extricate themselves out of their shitty conservative marriage and force them to remain unhappy.
I for one hope this simply leads to the end of marriage. That whole concept is built rather one sided. Time for relationship contracts... renewable, but always finite. With separation details worked out in advance. Let's get religion out of it entirely.
Why does it need to be a formal contract? People can engage in relationships without the law being involved. I tend to think we should disentangle marriage and law, have some paperwork one can fill out for the legal affairs like hospital visitation and such that can be changed without the same degree of court proceeding, and have the religious or cultural ritual as just a ritual people can but are not obligated to hold if they feel like with no legal meaning to it.
Well it doesn't have to be a formal contract... but I was thinking there would be like a website with a selection you could pick from, print out, sign and done. And the main reason was to make getting out of a bad relationship clear easy, and most likely no courts involved since everything was already spelled out. Open sourced contracts would in theory be well vetted to be fair.
My ex-wife and I filed the requisite paperwork and a month or so later met downtown at the courthouse to finalize our petition for a no-fault divorce. We had filled out some of the paperwork incorrectly, scooted over to the law library around the corner and returned less than an hour later to wrap things up, paying a fee so incidental I couldn't be bothered to remember the amount.
No-fault is a near necessity for folks that want to take the high road out of a shitty situation. Going on to think of the massive cost savings, we're left not only with religion to blame for the curtailing of our rights under law, but also perhaps the legal profession that spawned many of these legislators. Fuck them all.
They don't give a crap about religion. That's always been just something to motivate gullible idiots. Look at the stupidest and cringiest billionaire constantly whining about racial superiority and needing to breed people etc. they want you to work and they want 60% of whatever you create or labor for and they want you to have children that you pay for college for. They want you to rent your own slave quarters in buildings that they own. When I read history and compare it to ourselves, I can't help but think we're livestock that has been trained to be docile. At any other point in history, somebody would have murdered the worst offenders gleefully. They either managed to program us well or convince us to never do anything because we're so comfortable at the cost of destroying the environment.
When I read history and compare it to ourselves, I can’t help but think we’re livestock that has been trained to be docile. At any other point in history, somebody would have murdered the worst offenders gleefully.
People in other points in history spent generation after generation living under much worse conditions without murdering their oppressors. Don't romanticize the past.
Hey republiQan women - a new vista! A new opportunity to damage the quality of life for all your countrywomen - for the forseeable future - possibly permanently! Just vote like you always do! (Ha ha! I know we don't have to tell you that. You're very reliable!)
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They don't give a s*** about promoting domestic violence. What they want to do is create a situation where people are cowed and do nothing but labor and produce the future labor like we've done to women for most of history. Whether the women get beat or not doesn't mean anything to them as long as the outcome is the same.
Let's be honest here... they don't have a problem with no fault divorce in principal... they have a problem with women being able to file for divorce on their own.
The only reason to make divorce harder is if they also take away a woman's rights to be independent from her husband, otherwise she could just leave without getting a divorce.
Yes, but if the married couple across the street are getting tax and other advantages simply for being married that you and your unmarried partner are not getting, then that is an injustice. Either no one should get such advantages or any pair of people regardless of gender or race should be able to get them. Either get rid of state marriage or let anyone get married.
No joke, once you start structuring your life as a business, especially as formal corporations, the amount of financial, legal, and professional advantages, opportunities, and protection that appear are incredible. For example, did you know that …
… as an S corp, you can “pass through” the profit and loss of your business, such that your personal gross income excludes business expenses?
… the employer match on a 401k account is considered a business expense?
… the actual annual cap on employer contributions to various retirement vehicles are in fact much, much higher than employers are typically willing to offer you as a benefit?
… the terms of commercial factoring, mortgages and loans are often far more agreeable than consumer equivalents?
… many of the places where you shop offer discounts to business accounts (and not just for volume, simply because you’re a business)?
… it’s considered normal/SOP to request edits to many types of agreements individuals are expected to simply accept without question, including leases offered by landlords?
This is just a sample. Most endeavors and many functional aspects of personal life are by design simpler, safer, more scalable, and more profitable if planned and executed as a business rather than an individual in the late great United States of America.
I agree. I don’t think people should be expected to do all this to be treated like they matter in a society. I do it because I don’t want to go back to living in my car, but the process offers me daily reminders of how our system is thoroughly rigged in favor of commercial interests and against the human who wishes to live as a human.
There are a shit ton of laws built around the idea of marriage. Your spouse has rights to make medical decisions, inhabit and inherit property, share custody of children and property, sign certain documents, and stuff you probably never think about. Marriage equality is not an exercise in vanity, it really makes a difference when the government recognizes your special relationship and commitment. It also makes divorce so important, because the ability to sever that relationship is the only way to untangle all of those rights and responsibilities to each other.
It would be better to have a different concept of contractual family, one that permits for more granularity and possibilities. But that ain't what we got. Requiring demonstrations of fault to grant a divorce is just another way for shitty people to abuse other people. Prior to no-fault divorce, it wasn't uncommon for judges to say things like "that's not really spousal abuse" or "that's not really rape" and then deny the divorce.
Yup, this was one of the central debates with gay marriage vs. civil unions, so many LGBT+ couples were absolutely screwed pre-Obergefell by one of the partners getting sick or dying, and the surviving partner either having no say in medical decisions or getting screwed out of inheritance because the sick/dead partner's family was anti-gay and froze the surviving partner out of everything.
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
