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some_guy , in They fled Afghanistan after Biden’s withdrawal. Now in the US, they hope Trump wins

Roien Rahimi came to the U.S. from Afghanistan almost three years ago and now works for an organization that supports refugees’ mental health. He, too, is still struggling, he said. “I have to work even during the weekend, so I can afford the expenses.”

This makes it difficult to pay attention to the political climate of his new home. “Afghan new immigrants, they’re struggling with their life right now. It’s a bit far to think about the election,” he said. He said he doesn’t follow politics much, but spoke favorably of Donald Trump, and mentioned concerns over Joe Biden’s age. “If they bring good life to people of the US, we are happy. That’s what matters,” Rahimi concluded.

People who aren't paying attention have an uninformed opinion. Let's write an entire article about it.

FatLegTed , in They fled Afghanistan after Biden’s withdrawal. Now in the US, they hope Trump wins
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Didn't Trump initiate the pull out, and left Biden to pick up the crap?

UK here, Afghans that helped us should automatically get the right to live here. We have left some of these people to their fate at the hands of the Taliban. Whatever government ministers signed off on that ought to be swapped for the Afghans they left behind.

An utter disgrace.

eveninghere ,

Exactly. I do understand their anger, but leaning to Trump is just ultra stupid.

blindsight , in The High Cost of the GOP’s Reckless Decision to Withhold Aid to Ukraine

The full quote is even more biting... And accurate, sadly:

An American veteran who has been training Ukrainian soldiers in combat said he’s disgusted with the Republican Party, which he says is either “totally compromised by Russia and is willfully aiding Russian interests” or is chock-full of “sycophantic cowards who would gladly watch Ukrainians get killed if it meant Trump had a higher chance of winning reelection.”

bedrooms ,

The pattern is, the latter are targets of Russian operations, and so far it seems to be successful at generating kompromats.

Gaywallet Mod , in Biden is dramatically out of touch with voters on Gaza. He may lose because of it
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Locking comments, this has gone off the rails and devolved into hurling insults

Mastengwe , in Biden is dramatically out of touch with voters on Gaza. He may lose because of it

The SJWs that refuse to vote every election year because of single issue nonsense are already counted out with regards to polling and forecasts as I understand.

This is why their votes actually can count. Because any vote from them will help tip the balance in favor of democracy over dictatorship-

but should they all make good on their threats to pout and stay home-

It’s just going to be status quo.

kandoh ,

Dismiss the 'sjws' sure, but it's literally impossible for democrats to win the presidency unless black voters are enthusiastic about the candidate. Biden's Gaza stance hurts him with black voters.

Mastengwe ,

I honestly don’t think so. Again, single-issue non-voters are already not counted in the demographics- as I understand. I could be wrong, but I think this has always been a thing. This is why most polls aren’t accurate- because they don’t account for this. The remaining numbers are a result of who is expected to vote.

This doesn’t mean that the gEnOciDe jOe kids can’t help America from falling into absolute chaos, and Palestine from becoming a golf course…

But it’s already assumed they won’t. Again, they’re part of status quo and they don’t even realize it.

Neato , in Biden is dramatically out of touch with voters on Gaza. He may lose because of it
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Anyone not voting for Biden because of Gaza is a fucking idiot. Trump will be 10x worse for Palestinians. Remember who moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. That was designed as a provocation.

hitmyspot ,

There is no shortage of idiots. There never has been.

Hegar ,
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Anyone not voting for Biden because of Gaza is a fucking idiot.

The democracts insist on maintaining this position despite the mountain of evidence that it's driving down turn out in their base, and does not represent the wishes of the electorate.

Why is it that voters have to swallow genocide, and not that democrats have to stop perpetuating electorally unpopular genocide?

Of course trump will be worse and i'll be holding my nose and voting for biden but it makes no sense to blame voters for the inevitable and foreseeable consequences of the imperial cowardice of the democratic party.

drwilhi ,

Genocide is going to continue either way, we can either deal with the guy asking for a cease fire and who built a pier to get around Israel or vote for the guy that will send our troops to participate.

Hegar ,
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Being angry at voters and calling them idiots over choices the democratic party made doesn't help defeat trump.

Melkath ,

Genocide sympathizer.

trevron ,

This sentiment is idiotic. There are plenty of reasons not to vote for Biden. Don't blame people who actually vote with a spine for the shit political problem in America. Voting for the "lesser evil" has just been a slide further and further right for decades.

No representation, no vote. People can and should vote for who they feel aligned with and everyone should be okay with other people doing that. You know, actual democracy and shit. Fuck this team sports shit. Third party is an option. If the dems actually wanted to win they would offer basically any other candidate.

Biden dropping a $37bn package to bolster police forces in response to peaceful student protests should show you that its fascism on both sides of the coin.

If Trump wins, at least the liberals and the leftists might actually realign and then maybe something decent will happen before we are all obliterated/enslaved by our corporate overlords.

Either way we are in for more dumpster fires.

drwilhi ,

so you are pro trump and the what he will do to Palestine, got it. Third part will never be elected to the office of president until there is third party support in all other levels and branches of the government. This is by design of how our elections work. You get 2 choices, if you vote for a third option you are in fact voting for your least favorite option. I am saying this as someone who was a 3rd party voter up until 2016 and voted for that bitch Jill Stein who turned out to be a russian shill.

TrippyFocus ,

The most brain dead reply I’ve read today. Not sure why this math is hard to understand for people but if someone votes 3rd party trump does not get an additional vote, so no it’s not the same as supporting trump.

If Biden wants to earn their vote then maybe he should not fund and supply a genocide then?

WamGams ,

If the only credible path you get to choose is 30 something thousand civilian casualties, or complete annihilation of those civilians, not choosing the prevention of complete annihilation places a moral fault on you.

TrippyFocus ,

That really only applies if your vote can change the election which isn’t going to happen outside of the maybe 4 swing states.

With your same logic if your voting for Biden in one of the states he’s guaranteed to win or lose then your morally supporting a genocide for no actual change.

Dreizehn ,
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If Mango Mussolini wins, you can kiss the US Constitution good-bye.

EchoCT ,

It's already a joke. Sorry to break it to you.

BioDriver , in Biden is dramatically out of touch with voters on Gaza. He may lose because of it
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Doubt. Eventually people will realize that for as bad as Biden is with regards to Gaza, he’s doing a lot right domestically, and the other guy would be much, much, MUCH worse

p03locke ,
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The way voters protest this sort of issue doesn't follow logic or reason. People will happily not vote in protest, even if it means somebody far worse will win because of their actions. Cutting off their nose to spite their face.

I think the news needs to shame these kind of voters, instead of pushing this narrative that it's Biden's fault. Biden's views are his own, and yeah, the news should try to highlight and change them. But, voter patterns of using "uncontested" or third-party candidates to sabotage the main electees is actively destroying Democrats' chances of winning elections.

djsoren19 ,

I'm sorry, your take is that we need to shame people for ...standing against a genocide? for deciding that supporting the deaths of an entire culture of people is the line too far for their conscience to support? You think that deserves to be attacked and shamed?

The U.S. has no obligation to participate in genocide, and can start withholding aid at any time. If Democrat leadership has decided it's more important to exterminate Palestine than prevent a Trump election, that's going to remain on the Democrats.

Drusas ,

Allowing Trump to win by not voting is not "standing against genocide". It's virtue signaling which will harm the very people you aim to protect.

trevron ,

Caveman logic: Biden kill brown people, trump probably kill brown people too so better vote Biden?

drwilhi ,

Biden is anti Hamas, trump is anti Palestine there is a huge fucking difference. Biden is still trying to get aid to the people of Gaza, trump will not and will likely sent troops to assist in the genocide.

juicy OP ,

Funny, Biden's bombs have been killing Palestinian babies quite efficiently.

Mastengwe ,

Holding democracy ransom because one feels the need to virtue signal about something they more than likely didn’t care about a year ago?

Yeah. Shame.

juicy OP ,

What genocide was occurring one year ago?

t3rmit3 , (edited )

instead of pushing this narrative that it’s Biden’s fault

But... it is his fault? His job is to represent his constituents, which he's not doing. He's literally refusing to do his job as an elected representative. That you think it's the electorate's job to align with a President (and thus, a failing on their part not to) is antithetical to Democracy.

Here's an interesting hypothetical for you:

How close would Biden need to be to Trump, before you wouldn't vote for him? What issues would he need to change his stance on? I'm not saying he's close, I'm interested to know which of your personal values are red-lines?

If the answer is, "nothing, so long as he is at all better than Trump", then we're never going to see eye-to-eye, because to me at that point your rhetoric is incapable of combating our current slide towards fascism (just as I believe Biden is). If there are red-lines for you, then ask yourself why your personal red-lines are more important or valid than the people who you're shaming for saying he's crossed theirs.

Sadly, I suspect that the answer for many Democrats is the same as it is for Republicans; they'll only stand up to the party once they are personally harmed by the party's policies.

Mastengwe ,

100% agree these people need to be shamed. And it needs to happen as often as it can’t until it’s understood what is at stake.

Action isn’t initiated by the lack of action. The mere thought that by doing nothing- something will happen is so incredibly ignorant… I can barely hold on to the concept of it let along try and sympathize with those that subscribe to it.

AlwaysNowNeverNotMe ,
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We should just tell him we will vote for him no matter what.

That's surely how you influence the geriatric corporate owned politicians who allegedly "represent" us.

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The Biden campaign has long been shrugging at the president’s fading polls, turning down opportunities to put him in front of voters, and generally doing their best to portray an air of confident nonchalance.

A new dataset released by the New York Times on 13 May found that Biden was trailing in five key swing states – Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania – and suffering from disillusionment among young voters as well as Black and Latino ones.

“Drawing broad conclusions about the race based on results from one poll is a mistake,” Geoff Garin, a pollster for the Biden campaign, told the New York Times.

If that figure cannot shake you into moral recognition, consider that many of those children have endured their amputations without anesthesia, since medicine – like food – has largely been prohibited from being delivered to Gaza by Israeli authorities.

And though his White House repeatedly leaks that he is “privately” dismayed by Israel’s conduct of the war, he has done little to stop the flow of US money and guns that support it.

But these lesser-of-two-evils argument do not lessen the tax on the conscience that many anti-war Americans will feel when they consider whether to vote for Biden in spite of his support for the genocide in Gaza.


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Five , in Arizona officials say they can’t find Rudy Giuliani to serve him with indictment notice
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They served him at his birthday party. The warrant officer even sang him happy birthday 😆

sin_free_for_00_days , in Both of Biden’s Key Economic Advisers get Basic Econ Wrong

I'm always surprised when these weird freaks believing in trickle-down economics actually exist. Morons who still worship at the fecal stained feet of dementia Reagan.

pbjamm ,
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If we give it a few more generations wealth will certainly begin to trickle down.

sin_free_for_00_days , in Arizona officials say they can’t find Rudy Giuliani to serve him with indictment notice

They need to check gardening supply places.

hitmyspot , in Arizona officials say they can’t find Rudy Giuliani to serve him with indictment notice

Lol, have they just crowd sourced it?

some_guy ,

Oh, that's an interesting take. I'm over here in California, but if I see him on the street I'll immediately call it in.

hedge , in Both of Biden’s Key Economic Advisers get Basic Econ Wrong
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From Wikipedia: The Ludwig von Mises Institute for Austrian Economics, or Mises Institute, is a nonprofit think tank headquartered in Auburn, Alabama, that is a center for Austrian economics, radical right-wing libertarian thought and the paleolibertarian and anarcho-capitalist movements in the United States. It is named after the economist Ludwig von Mises (1881–1973) and promotes his version of heterodox Misesian Austrian economics.

Amoxtli OP , (edited )

Ludwig Von Mises was a highly educated man and spoke post college level English and his native tongue, German. Are you sure you want to compare credentials? Joe Biden speaks well below high school level. Joe has nothing on a genius. His economic advisor is an embarrassment to responsible statecraft. The meritless kakistocracy that democratic Marxist activism promotes, for example DEI, promoting based on social justice instead of merit. Mises was a great man, Biden is a mediocre man who is elected by people who consider themselves less than him.

theareciboincident ,

Ahhh, and the self report comes out - as it always does.

defending a right wing think tank

uses a false definition of DEI to strawman against it

having no idea what Marxism is

Nice try, fascist! That shit doesn’t work on intelligent people. Only yall.

I bet you fancy yourself as one, eh?

The_Che_Banana ,
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lol....this was great.

mozz Admin ,
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Dude what the HECK lol. You gotta subtle it up my man.

You gotta say something along the lines of, no I'm just a good concerned native English speaker citizen of the United States and I feel like both sides are sliding into fascism and just, Biden's so old, and anyway what about Gaza, and I'm so concerned and turned off from politics in general, I mean I don't feel like it matters, blue MAGA, amirite, etc etc and so on stuff like that.

If you lead off right away with kakistocracy democratic Marxism social justice you're gonna get all these Lemmy people saying fuck yeah Marxism let's get some Marxism and social justice up in here, but you're wrong tho Biden WISHES he was a Marxist, anyway viva la revolución

BarryZuckerkorn ,

I also speak post college level English. And I can recognize dumb ideas written in English. Mises was a hack.

SteposVenzny ,

Do you disagree with anything Hedge said up there? Because you sound extremely argumentative in tone but you don’t seem to have claimed anything that contradicts any of it.

Amoxtli OP ,

Lol, he calls libertarianism "far right". Joe Biden fits the description of a fascist than an anti-war, free market, and free trade intellectual. Joe Biden is not qualified for anything.

t3rmit3 ,

Wow, that didn't take much prodding... xD

mozz Admin , in Both of Biden’s Key Economic Advisers get Basic Econ Wrong
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IDK what's up with Jared Bernstein or why he apparently fucked up trying to answer a question from Stephanie Kelton's documentary.

But the other half of the claim this story is making is that Janet Yellen "gets basic econ wrong" because she doesn't like supply side economics.

Yellen also claims that “trickle down tax cuts” don’t fuel economic growth and only benefit the wealthy. Yellen is attacking Supply Side Economics, which economists have embraced for centuries. Statistics prove the economists’ version of Supply Side Economics.

Secretary Yellen gave a speech in Kentucky recently. Yellen announced that the Biden administration will implement what she refers to as Modern Supply Side Economics. This so called modern theory is really just a rehash of what economists refer to as “industrial policy”, mixed with investment in infrastructure. The traditional industrial policy favored by the Biden administration has a dismal track record globally.

Does it, though?

The big complaint that according to them goes against what economists have embraced for centuries, is that Janet Yellen wants to invest in infrastructure, instead of giving more money to the wealthiest people and then it'll trickle down?

All economists know that supply side effects of tax cuts really exist, we just disagree over the strength of these effects. Yellen is playing like a trick here. Some Republican politicians have exaggerated supply side effects of tax cuts, by claiming that their tax cuts will produce overnight miracles. Harvard economist Martin Feldstein pointed out the difference between statistically proven Supply Side Economics and the disproven politicized version of Supply Side Economics decades ago. Yellen surely knows all of this. Yellen is guilty of using the Strawman Fallacy to dismiss a sound alternative to Biden’s absurd industrial policies.

I don't have time to dig up the chart decade by decade of every single economic metric affecting both macro-scale economic well being, and individual well being for working people, and showing that during times of tax cuts for the wealthy every single one of them gets worse and during times of taxing the wealthy to fund doing other things with the money they all tend to get better, but that's what happens. It's almost comical how strong the correlation is and how universally it impacts every single metric.

TheUncannyObserver , in Democrats, Contempt Will Not Win You the Election

Anyone who criticizes Democrats wants Trump to win, and Trump hates Jews, so anyone who doesn’t vote for Democrats is a traitorous Nazi.

/s

VinesNFluff ,
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It's almost like having your only strategy be "we are slightly better than the alternative" leads to the alternative racing you to the bottom and you being shit as well.

TheUncannyObserver ,

But Biden has continued the democrats tradition of minor incremental changes that don’t keep up with our civil rights being taken away! How can you ignore that? You’re obviously a nazi communist who wants America to die.

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