I fear the attacks on Claudine Gay and the recent re-framing of antisemitism by the GOP have muddied the waters sufficiently enough that very few elected officials are going to stick out their neck from this point forward. "Mission Accomplished" as President Shrub would say.
@oconnell@gusbova@palestine The term genocide is being horribly misused in reference to Israel's counteroffensive, reacting to the October 7 massacres. There is no systemic annihilation of the Palestinian people, otherwise the war would have been extended to the west bank, and many, many more Gazans would be dead. The IDF's mission is clear and limited. Collateral casualties are high due to Hamas hiding in civilian areas and not obeying established rules of war.
@AndrewR1234 The term #genocide is aptly used in reference to the actuons of #Israel. There is a systemic annihilation of the #Palestinian people, the genocide is present both in the West Bank and in the Red Line. It's estimated that 5% of the Gazan population is dead, missing or under the rubble, and since the massacre is still ongoing, then this number is going to become higher. The IOF's mission is not limited. They've even killed hostages and civilians wearing white flags. 1/2 @palestine
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The "we massacred 25+ thousands of people because #Hamas hides beneath them" is also false. The #IOF has destroyed more than 70% of all residences of #Gaza, as well as all hospitals. It's just mathematically impossible for a tiny fraction of the population to be hidden in the majority of the territory.
You're justifying #genocide , which makes you complicit in it.
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@happymilk@AndrewR1234@palestine looking forward to this mathematical proof, but, until then, I'd direct your focus to the scope of context argued by South Africa. Surely you agree with the extent of that scope? Because it's very inline with what Arafat argued to Bill Clinton.
@nicholas_saunders According to Israel, there are 300 000 members of Hamas, less than 7% of all Gazans. If, supposedly, a residential building becomes a legitimate military target if there's a combatant (and note that not everyone in Hamas is) below it, that means that no more than 7% can become legal targets. Note that these are a lot of "if"s, and that not all Hamas combatants are gone, despite the bombings. @palestine
@happymilk@palestine falls completely short of your claims, and ignores the question which was asked of you. Just on my phone at the moment, so a quick reply.
@nicholas_saunders No, it doesn't. You condecendently asked me something "in the mean time". I'm not respecting anything you ask me that way. @palestine
@happymilk@palestine because I'm just on a phone right now, my replies are brief, but willing to take a deep dive into those statistics at a later point. What can possibly be unreasonable about that response? Because your metrics are without foundation or context, but, sure, let's put them in context.
@happymilk@palestine ah, well, if you find that question to be unfairly asked then certainly don't feel obliged to answer. That being said, from your usage of the word "occupation" the inference is quite clear that you would adopt the language with which South Africa sought to frame their accusation: by selecting a Goldilocks scope of context favorable to the prosecution, and which would echo Arafat's argument with Bill Clinton. Myself, I'd hope that The Hague will select a different context.
The civilian deaths in #Gaza are two and a half times more than the civilian casualties in Ukraine, in 1/8 of the time. Your claim that "many more Palestinians would have died" if it was a genocide is groundless. Also, the risk of massive deaths from starvation is looming, and starvation has been a preferred tool for genocide, like history shows. ->
@AndrewR1234 there is in fact, since 1948 an ethnic cleansing for sure, which started with 750,000 Palestinians expeld in 1948 and thousands killed (estimated 15,000). Thousands more since then under an apartheid regime, so genocide is the unavoidable conclusion. 30,000 people don’t simply get killed because it was necessary. All the evidence is showing it was deliberate over reaction to a failure of Israeli intelligence. Not to mention that as an occupying power its response is also restricted by international laws of war.
@oconnell@gusbova@palestine Lots of numbers being thrown around. I think we can all agree that deaths are tragic even if we don't agree on who is to blame. Israel's defensive actions lack any connection to genocide, in either intent or result. Look at data. The population of Gaza grew dramatically both under Israeli occupation and since Israeli withdrawal. Two years after the current conflict ends it will have probably recovered from the current losses. (1/2)
Your comment is appalling. People are not fungible tokens, 25 thousand births will not make 25 thousand murders Ok.
The demographic growth doesn't annul the fact that Palestinians where expelled from 78% of their country, nor the fact that there's ample reason to claim it's genocide from public statements alone.
Cutting water and electricity are also genocidal acts.
Denying the entry of humanitarian aid trucks is also a genocidal act.
@oconnell@gusbova@palestine The only actor in this conflict attempting to kill an entire population simply for who they are is Hamas. They showed their intent on October 7 and vow to do it again as soon as they are able, killing Jews for being Jews. Unfortunately, any ceasefire without the total destruction of Hamas is simply a return to October 6: ceasefire with Hamas ruling Gaza and planning their next murders. (2/2)
That you claim there's no genocidal intent on Israel actions is groundless. There's ample evidence on the subject, from Netanyahu's Amalek references, to IDF soldiers chanting "there are no uninvolved civilians".
@AndrewR1234 they’re in fact killing Israelis … Jews, non Jews, including Palestinians. They still didn’t kill as many as Israel did, but since Palestinian life is meaningless, I guess it goes unnoticed. And what the hell population growth has to do with anything? Your arguments sound a lot like Israeli rightwing genocidal chat on social media and often in the comments section of news web sites.
I hope the voices spread and grow louder. It is past time we stand up for Palestinians, and the genocide, the sheer slaughter of Gaza must be stopped. There are voices for peace on both sides that must be listened to.
It is past time humans stopped killing each other in mass quantities. Look around: this battle ground is right beside you if you look because it exists everywhere.
Immediate cease-fire and reparations to rebuild Gaza in a new, beautiful way.
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My city - Port Townsend, WA - has just passed a resolution along those lines.
The county commissioners passed one first, and the county board of health did, too.
The school board didn't even want to hear about it.
Our congressman is Derek Kilmer, and he adopted the IHRA definition of antisemitism, which defines criticism of Israel as antisemitic.