It started with an initial shitpost that looked like a Wikipedia screen cap that said something like, "Trout populations are highly vulnerable to environmental damage. For example, a meteor striking the earth will damage the trout population"
People started referencing that shitpost, usually something along the lines of "[something cataclysmic and world ending] will hurt the trout population"
I'm curious as to which side I was taking before I submitted this discussion. Because I think it's quite clear that I simply thought this was just another battle in the middle east sparked by land and racial tensions, and despite one side being much better equipped for extermination than the other, it wasn't particularly notable. My language doesn't feel pro Hamas, maybe It could be seen as pro Israeli because of that though. But I feel like that's exactly what everyone in this thread has been pointing out, that there aren't just two sides, and people aren't picking between Israel and Hamas (or even Palestine for that matter).
Heck I'm not even arguing with anyone here except you, so what do you think I could possibly be trying to achieve? Let me remind you the community we're currently discussing this in is !outoftheloop .
Israel responded with batshit overwhelming force to a terrorist attack by a contingent of Palestinian nationals and has comitted numerous war crimes against innocent civilians in the process.
I will try to be as neutral as I can, though it seems impossible in this space.
A lot of Jewish people live outside of Israel for reasons going way back in history, we won't get into the details of that now. Many of them remain closely tied with family / community / culture / religious practices & beliefs in Israel. These folks are sometimes called the Diaspora.
Some of them live in the United States (and are US citizens) and some of them are very successful / influential. Like almost any other demographic group, some of them can be found on the boards of colleges and universities, corporations, etc.
And some of these folks are still very much invested in Israel and care about what is going on over there, like other folks in the Diaspora.
I hope that helps. I am not taking a side with this answer, just trying to provide some general context on the how we got here.
I think this covers everything except for one last question the OP might have had. Israel was, and still is, a US ally. Trading is generally pretty open with those allies, so citizens are fairly free to invest with any company headquartered in those countries. Investing in an Israeli company was no different than investing in an Australian or UK company. Offshore investment can be smart too, as they can potentially insulate you from the effects of economic shocks in America (in the short term). I'm sure someone much more versed in economics or finances could give you a better summary of that end though.
Just in case they're wondering whether/why it's possible/common to have foreign investments in the first place. Your comment is a great explanation for why Israel specifically.
I think it needs to be said most Jewish people in the diaspora are not Zionists. And that Israel is and always has been a puppet state formed by the the US
I think we would need stats before making that first conclusion. I've seen a lot of favorability polls of Israel amongst Jewish people, but not sure I've ever seen an explicit ask for Zionism or its definition. I'm sure it's out there, but I wouldn't expect the OP to take that for granted without a source.
Your second sentence is arguably correct, but lacking a lot of context and really not presented from a neutral standpoint like the other commentor and I were trying to strike. I think when people are looking for raw information, it's fair to provide that with as little bias as possible, especially on a heated current issue. And fwiw, I likely agree with you on that issue.
Yeah I'm Jewish so this isn't a new issue to me. Zionism is viewed as a fascist ideology by a lot of Jews, there for I think its unneutral to say afluent Jews are why universities are invested in Israel. I'm being as neutral as possible, these are the facts as I know them and I wouldn't trust an poll on this matter done now, personally. The fact that Israel was formed by America after ww2 and has been used as a political and military base for America since. Wikipedia has multiple articles on it.
All kinds of ideologies are viewed as fascism by all kinds of people, but that's not a source. Just because you yourself are Jewish does not mean you have an understanding of Jewish people as a whole. If you want to assert something about Jewish views on Zionism, you need to provide a real source. It also doesn't tie directly to your followup with "affluent Jews are why universities are invested in Israel". Why would one follow the other at all?
I also know what Israel is and how it was founded. Your wording this time is much more palatable! "Puppet state" has connotations that I agree with, but would not say if I was trying to be neutral. On a different thread, I think that's entirely fair. Again though, when people ask for raw info, I think it's only fair to provide that from as neutral a standpoint as possible.
In fact nearly every fucked up situation in the Middle East was created by the British. They started multiple shit storms with bone headed border decisions and then conveniently dipped out after WWII without cleaning up their messes.
Another example would be the India / Pakistan problem.
For the most part, they're not specifically supporting the Israeli government. They have endowment funds, which they invest in mutual funds and other such financial instruments, like everyone else. Those mutual funds, in turn, invest money in a huge array of different stocks, bonds, etc, generally with the goal of producing a decent return with a minimum amount of risk. Buried somewhere in that pile of investments are things like Israeli government bonds, shares in defense contractors, etc, because political priorities are not usually a factor in how mutual funds decide where to put their money.
Universities have huge endowments and investment portfolios. These are generally broad and in support of keeping the financial backing of the school stable; this is extremely prevalent in the large older universities like Harvard or Columbia (but almost all universities have one in some form or another). They support both students and ongoing academic research.
While many of these portfolios consist of wider funds, many have specific investments in specific companies and industries. That means that the university is invested in, and taking benefit from, areas of industry. The main request is to divest the investment portfolios from companies owned by or supporting entities connected with Israel's war on Gaza. In some cases this may be possible (move a ton of stock from a defense contractor making weapons sold to Israel to an energy company) and in some cases it may not (they're invested in a wide market fund that itself invests in specific funds, but you can't easily cherry-pick which stocks are actually in it). It's also possible that there are research grants funded through companies who the students want to apply negative pressure to; cancelling a grant sends a message to the company, but also leaves entire teams and time-dependent science without funding, potentially ending it outright unless alternate funding can be found. There also may be contracts involved for specific research and engagements, and breaking a contract is more complicated than just ripping it up (especially if there are early termination policies outlined).
Realistically, the best students can hope for is a commitment to investigate and divest where possible, which is frustrating but also makes sense. I've worked in higher education for 20 years and have seen this on a smaller scale around defense contractors during the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The endowment is a slow moving leviathan, but I think it's a good place for the students to apply pressure.
To be fair, many universities are making these steps. They have a dialogue with their students and are going to work towards divestment, even though it will take time, and those student bodies are happy to accept that. It's very important to note that the schools facing protests are either unwilling to attempt divestment at all, or are refusing to even entertain the possibility of divestment by completely ignoring the request.
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