My Health Insurance Company Is Trying To Kill Me ( www.huffpost.com )

One such encounter went like this:

Me: “Hi. I’m calling about my daughter’s ambulance and hospital charges. I haven’t been able to reach my grievance coordinator about the appeal.”

Representative: “I can help you.”

**Me: **(Genuinely excited.) “Great!”

Representative: “Oh, I see your daughter turned 18. I can’t discuss her information with you.”

Me: “I sent a release of information form by mail, fax and email. I also faxed our conservatorship papers.”

Representative: “I’m sorry, it’s not on file. What office did you send it to?”

Me: (I give the information.)

Representative: “That’s the wrong fax number. Let me give you the correct one.”

Me: “I’m not inventing numbers out of the ether. This is the third new fax number I’ve been given. Are the address and email inaccurate too?”

Representative: “I’m sorry, but I can’t discuss your daughter’s claims with you without this information. Can you put her on the phone to give verbal consent?”

**Me: **“I can’t put her on the phone. She’s currently in a treatment center and has no access to a phone, which is why I have a conservatorship to help with her medical care.”

Representative: “I’m sorry, ma’am. There’s nothing I can do without the forms or her verbal consent.”

Me: “Who do you think pays the insurance premium and all her providers? I’m just trying to settle her claims, and I don’t know what we owe without access.”

Representative: “I can only answer general questions.”

Me: “OK. From the bills I’ve received, we’re being charged out-of-network fees for the ambulance, ER, ER doctor and hospital.”

Representative: “Was this out of state?”

**Me: **“Yes.”

Representative: “Hang on, I have to transfer you.”

I was on hold for another 15 minutes, and then got cut off. I called back, was transferred twice and then repeated a version of the above conversation before resuming — with a grievance coordinator! 

Grievance coordinator: “The ambulance and ER facility were both out of state and out of network.”

Me: “A treatment center called for an ambulance. I wasn’t given a choice of who responded or where they took her.”

Grievance coordinator: “They used out-of-network providers.”

Me: “They dialed 911. No one stops to ask the closest ambulance what their network status is.”

Grievance coordinator: “They did transfer her to an in-network hospital, but the physicians were not participating providers.”

**Me: **“Under the No Surprises Act, insurance must cover all providers in the case of an emergency, whether they are in network or not — even if out of state.”

(There was a long silence.)

Me: “Are you still there?”

Grievance coordinator: “Yes, ma’am. Once you get the conservatorship papers to us, we can look at those claims. Is there anything else I can help you with?”

Me: “Apparently not.”

Bytemeister ,

Courts should find insurance companies liable for billing mistakes that you have to spend your time and resources to correct. Compensation should be 100 dollars a minute.

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

Brilliant. Unfortunately the insurance lobby owns Congress.

Hey - we should get our own lobby and outbribe them

Bytemeister ,

Kickback congress for 1% of those fees.

pineapplelover ,

Any important conversation I like recording it. I know you can do this on Android, idk about iphones.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Just be sure to check if you're in a one-party or two-party consent state. If it's a two-party consent state you'll need their permission to record the call.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Just call them up and make it clear that you are mentally unstable enough that you might go to the person's you are talking to home. If they are afraid of what you might do paperwork gets done fast.

Be creative with it. Last time the insurance denied one of my daughter's claims I accused the adjuster of getting off sexually on the act, in graphic detail until they agreed to process the claim

jpreston2005 ,

When I started my first "real" job, where I got health insurance, it was an absolute nightmare trying to find a therapist through their network. I remember having to call them to figure out if they would cover visits to a specialist in trauma. Sat on hold for an hour and 45 minutes, just to get some random woman who would NOT give me any information until I told her "why" I needed to see a therapist.

After trying unsuccessfully to skip past the question, she kept asking, so I said fine, and trauma dumped all over her. I'll save you the details, but I could tell she was shaken once I finished. After all that bullshit, she still couldn't even tell me if the provider was covered or not, and instead sent me a 90 page non-searchable PDF listing a bunch of random therapists in random order located all over the state (which was negative help). I was so upset I just hung up on her.

Medicare for all. Health insurance is a scam that bankrupts Americans, puts barriers between you and care, and actively harms all of us collectively.

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It is so fucking bullshit in every way. I cannot comprehend why someone would have a problem with single-payer, which is so much better by comparison than what we have to do now.

The only thing I can think is "but I might wind up with slightly less coverage than my work currently provides," which is also practically impossible for all but the very upper crust...

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you for the information on the "no surprises act", didn't know that was a thing.

Also, south park actually did a skit like this, but I feel like it's in bad taste given the seriousness of what OP is going through.

sunbytes ,

Causing long term damage (requiring further treatment) is probably their ideal outcome.

Death is so.... "you'll stop paying us"

LordCrom ,

Conservatives love to say free market works, shop for best price, blah blah..... When you are having a heart attack, you don't stop 911 from sending help until you shop around for the best ambulance service..... You take the closest one, go to the closest hospital, and get service from the doctor on call.

Fuck insurance, we should have Medicare for all by now.

barsquid ,

Conservatives are all liars. I mean, you know that. But the academic theory of the free market valuing things correctly requires an assumption that people can go without the goods and services being valued. It's not even a misrepresentation on this one. It's just a straight-up lie.

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

On top of that, shop for best price? During the one month of open enrollment where it's allowed? What if the providers all leave the network halfway through the year, as regularly happens? They have literally made it impossible to shop around for the best price.

Drusas ,
  1. Yes, they are. They don't care about their customers, just the premiums they can rake in without paying out on.

  2. Being the person who pays the bills does not and should not grant that person access to another person's medical records, even if that person is a parent. I get that you submitted the authorization in this case, but I am speaking generally in response to your comment which seemed to imply that third parties should be given medical information if they are the ones paying the bill.

SpeedLimit55 ,

I worked for a company who went with a cut rate insurance provider one year who basically denied or screwed up every claim. This required calls, faxes and hours wasted any time anyone had a medical procedure. The kicker was that the insurance company hours were the same as our company hours so all of this had to happen during company time. They went with a proper provider the next year.

Fedizen ,

Should call it death insurance not health insurance.

catloaf ,

That's called life insurance.

LordGimp ,

As someone who is taking Kaiser Permanente to court over their refusal to release documents, let me confirm that grievance coordinators are the most useless wastes of oxygen ever to steal air on this planet. Even having your lawyer send them the actual text of the law they are currently violating, they will refuse to do anything not explicitly outlined and approved by their policy. Fuck the law. Fuck common sense. If it's not policy, it doesn't matter.

Rentlar ,

Ignoring the law is a more profitable strategy then following it. Unless this changes, then healthcare companies will continue screwing people over.

ShaggySnacks ,

If the fine for breaking the law is not high enough, the fine becomes the cost of doing business.

CosmicTurtle0 ,

OP, you may be in lawyer territory. Not to sue the insurance company, though it may come to that.

A lot of these companies will give riff raff (you and me) the run around.

But once an attorney enters the picture, they have to get their attorneys involved and typically corporate attorneys aren't cheaper than one you hire. So the incentive to resolve the situation quickly is higher.

At least for a short time. So a short phone call from your attorney to them will often get the attention of the right people.

hedgehogging_the_bed ,

It's an article in the Huffpost bro, the author isn't here.

Drusas ,

Can confirm. I will never work directly with insurance on a difficult issue again. My attorney is worth every penny. He's saved me countless hours of time and the endless frustration/desperation that comes with handling insurance agents. He's also saved me a ton of money in the long run (but not the short run!).

jubilationtcornpone ,

There's a reason Allstate is the most frequently sued auto insurance provider. They will give you the run around all day long until you lawyer up and then it's, "Oh! Ha ha! Sowwy! We bunch of dum dums who no can read and no use kumputers good. We no know what happened! Here big check for you go away now."

But for every person who lawyers up, there are probably 20 more who don't. Fuck Allstate.

xenomor , (edited )

As an American, I’m legit terrified of sustaining some kind of injury or extended illness. The society we have constructed, and that we tolerate, is an absolute abomination. Let me say it again. The United States is an absolute, top to bottom, left to right shit hole. We do not value people, life, or well being in any meaningful or equitable way. This is an economy masquerading as a society.

YarHarSuperstar ,
@YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world avatar

I get providers and insurance companies flagrantly violating ADA all the time with me and my housemate's care. They don't give a shit and nobody is holding them accountable if you don't have money for a lawyer to threaten them officially.

Drusas ,

Do you mean HIPAA?

YarHarSuperstar ,
@YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world avatar

Well certainly that too. But I'm talking about the Americans with Disabilities Act.

SquishyPandaDev ,
@SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net avatar

Insurance is a scam. Get hospitality bill as self pay and tell them to go pound sand. Lo and behold they will quickly work out a reduced amount and a reasonable payment plan

YarHarSuperstar ,
@YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately this isn't an option for many folks, as they have insurance because there's no way to afford the bills that they would be sending if one didn't have insurance, even if a hefty discount was applied.

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