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originalucifer , in A new internet is forming (& Meta wants to control it)
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meh. more fud

meta hasnt declared or made any intention of overtaking the fediverse, but that hasnt stopped a metric fuckton of people freakin the fuck out or generating fud blog post after fud blog post

its like claiming meta is going to overtake and own email because they stood up an email server.

BrikoX OP ,
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Which point? Or did you see the title and wrote your own narrative?

originalucifer ,
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you bet, problem?

Steve ,
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Yes! That is most literally true!

People doubt the face value benign intension of Meta with regard to the Fediverse.

Which leaves uncertainty of their real intention.

Naturally causing fear of a self interested malicious intention.

Which all seem to be quite reasonable concerns, given Meta's market position and history.

originalucifer ,
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so you agree, its all unfounded scare-mongering vlogs without any substantiating information regarding AP.

grooooovy

Kbin_space_program ,

Fa ebook is literally arguing to the US federal government that regulations about social media usage by children, and the data they sell from it, aren't their problem but are the responsibility of Google and Apple.

Why do you trust them?

originalucifer ,
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im sorry, whats that have to do with the interwebs maintaining neutral control of AP? sounds like ziiiilch.

lets keep apples to apples here in the fediverse

Steve , (edited )
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As I said, I agree with the literal facts. The implications in your phrasing I disagree with.

Instead of unfounded, I would call it unproven.
Instead of scaremongering I would say warning.
And generally I avoid using absolute terms like "all", since only it takes one counter example, to make such a statement factually wrong.

lemann ,

I absolutely love the clarity of this response

iso ,
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Literally this. Right now you can’t create your own mail server because big corpos like Google, Microsoft is going to make you end up in spam folder.

Now, apply this to fediverse.

originalucifer ,
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i run mail servers professionally and personally. youre right its not easy, but its not impossible. its a regular topic of self hosting.

but more to your point, how has meta usurped smtp? ok. now apply that to AP.

iso ,
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You can technically create but you can never be sure that your mails will received.

They don’t usurp the service but make it uncomfortable/unstable to you.

originalucifer ,
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ha, uh. ok whatever you say there boss.

do you any actual information regarding meta controlling the AP protocol with their single instance and no seat at the protocol table, or is this all just a huge premature, knee-jerk reaction to a big scary corporation?

iso , (edited )
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It is about power. If they have more than 50% of the users, then all other instances should comply with their changes and obey them. If they don’t, then they’ll be blocked by more than half of the users. No instance owner will take this risk.

I’m trying to explain you that you don’t really need to own something to own it. If you have enough power, you have it already.

dameoutlaw ,
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You mean how people treat Mastodon.social?

davel ,
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This is a distinction with little difference, which is convenient for them, because they can say well ackchyually we’re not stopping you from self-hosting nerd when in practical terms they are.

astronaut_sloth ,

It's not just convenient for them to do it; it's how they are able to evade anti-trust action (not that the U.S. is great at it anyway but still). I also run my own mail server. It's not impossible, and I wouldn't even say it's even hard. It's just time consuming to set up (if it's the first time), and there are a lot of hurdles to make it so impractical that it's virtually impossible to the average person. Only the most patient or those who have a real desire to run their own mail server will even attempt it. Anyone can set up their own mail server, but most won't because it's not worth it compared to using something that just works from Google.

davel ,
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sour , (edited )
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facebook have intention to maximize profit

TacoButtPlug ,
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You think they're going to announce their intentions?

Can I sell you a home in Guatemala? It's the best deal you'll ever come across.

AngieStone , in Mastodon security update: every version prior to today's is vulnerable to remote user impersonation and takeover
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androidul ,

nett hier

Blaze , in NodeBB Update on Activitypub Development
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Great news, thanks for sharing

ada , in Seppo: Personal Social Web
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Seppo is old, slightly insulting Australian slang for an American

Blaze ,
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Interesting

DmMacniel ,

Whelp, researching a product name ahead of a release really helps to prevent those connotations :D

Skelectus ,
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Seppo is also a common name among old men in Finland.

https://nimipalvelu.dvv.fi/en/forename-search?name=Seppo

sanguinepar ,
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Would that be about equivalent to calling British people Poms?

Pons_Aelius , (edited )

Sort of, although Pom is at least a century older as Seppo was coined during world war 2. It comes from the rhyming slang Yank to Septic Tank to Seppo.

It came from the swagger of the US service men in Aus during the war and the implication that many of them are full of shit.

sanguinepar ,
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Ah, that's great, ha ha. Thanks :-)

olorin99 ,
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It comes from rhyming slang "septic tank = yank".

sanguinepar ,
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Cheers :-)

ada ,
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Not quite. Yank would be a closer comparison to Pom.

Seppo is closer to "Pommy bastard" in terms of severity. It can be used in a good natured way, but it's slightly derogatory.

sanguinepar ,
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Got you, thanks :-)

Spuddlesv2 ,

It’s a bit harsher than “Pom” and is rarely used in a positive way, unlike Pom which can be an insult or a term of endearment. I don’t think I’ve ever heard Seppo used in a positive way, now that I think of it.

sanguinepar ,
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Thanks :-)

Daeraxa ,

UK too, particularly common in the forces.(For those unaware it is rhyming slang - seppo = septic tank = yank). Somtimes just "septics" too.

Butterbee , in Prismic: A federated social VR sandbox using ActivityPub.
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It's a cool idea. I hope they get somewhere with it

Jake_Farm , in Prismic: A federated social VR sandbox using ActivityPub.
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Is there any footage of what it looks like?

ryven ,

From the link:

Prismic is still early in development and not yet in a usable state. Most of the features described below are planned but not yet or only partially implemented.

I don't think it looks like anything, yet.

Jake_Farm ,
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Oh the description was using the present tense so I thought it was already made rather than just an idea.

modulus , in Seppo: Personal Social Web

So, not super sure what this is or how this works. Is the idea that you run the cgi, it sets up static files, and it responds to AP requests like follows, mentions, boosts and such? I realise lots of people don't like long docs but I didn't really understand the use case very well.

nmtake ,

I think you're right. In CGI, web server spawns a process for each incoming request to the CGI app, so the author provide static files for visitors to reduce the overhead.

Edit: here is the repository: https://codeberg.org/seppo/seppo and written in OCaml, so the single file CGI app is a compiled binary.

sab , (edited ) in Seppo: Personal Social Web

Looks promising.

I'm setting it up now, was close to give up when it continuously refused to work after setting up an account. Turns out the passwords randomly generated by Firefox is a bit too hardcore for it, I changed to something with fewer special characters and now all is good. :)

Edit: It worked for setting up the interface and my profile, but I still cannot sign in from within it. Seems like a promising project though.

Edit edit: Moved it from a subdomain to a normal folder, now I can sign in, but it still acts a little broken, and doesn't federate. Oh well, I'll see if I'll tinker more later.

hashferret , in Prismic: A federated social VR sandbox using ActivityPub.

Really exciting to see someone working on this. Though my immediate reaction is - not skepticism. Concern maybe? Similar projects in the past have hit walls in scope creep, lack of funding, and ocassionally lack of direction or differentiation. A truly well rounded social VR platform is far more complex than meets the eye. Even neosvr/resonite has run into large slowdowns and difficulties in stealing public adoption away from the totally centralized and closed behemoth that is vrchat. More recently I was sad to see Thirdroom (based on matrix) abandon development. Still, all the best to the project and I will definitely follow it closely.

poVoq OP ,
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You are aware of https://vircadia.com/ ?

It is also somewhat distributed, although not via ActivityPub.

hashferret ,

Yeah. Though I'm more partial to the offshoot project https://overte.org/ Unfortunately though I think it's another example of how far these sorts of projects are from feature parity with more established closed platforms.

poVoq OP ,
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Ah, that looks interesting as well. How exactly is it an "offshoot" of Vircadia? The Overte website isn't clear on this.

canpolat , in Seppo: Personal Social Web
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I think single account ActivityPub implementations are addressing a weakness of the Fediverse: one's identity (handle, username) is tied to an instance they have no control over. If that instance shuts down users lose everything. With a single account instance, you take that control back. And since it doesn't need to scale the architecture can be much simpler and can be deployed to much cheaper infrastructure.

The demo was not straightforward, though. And I didn't quite get how a user can follow Mastodon users, for example.

originalucifer , in Seppo: Personal Social Web
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this is supposed to be simple? i spent a bit digging around this 'platform'. very odd, seemed very ambiguous to... everything.

"rent" internet space?

poVoq OP ,
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They mean these typical shared php webspace you can get very cheaply for hosting Wordpress etc.

originalucifer ,
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whats the benefit of this over wordpress?

poVoq OP ,
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Its much simpler and less likely to get hacked ;)

Blaze , in Seppo: Personal Social Web
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Looks interesting, I find it quite clear.

Just couldn't find the creds for the demo instance, but could still see what it would look like. Thanks for sharing!

janWilejan , in Introducing Incremental Social, a community for both players and developers of incremental games!
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oh wow! congrats on prestiging the incremental gaming community!

i'm a big fan of Free/Libre/Open Source games and that includes a lot of incremental games (Trimps, Structure, AD, Fundamental, etc).
i don't have any accounts on corporate social media (like Reddit/Discord) so a more open incremental game community is a welcome change.
hopefully developers will add a "join Matrix room" button instead of asking you to sign up for Discord.

i started making a little incremental TIC-80 game a while back and maybe i'll actually finish it now that there's a community i can share it with.

janWilejan ,
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@thepaperpilot um... it looks like kbin.social doesn't federate with incremental.social and i can't subscribe to it yet?

thepaperpilot OP ,

you should be able to search for incremental_games@incremental.social and then it'll start federating

redcalcium , in Mastodon security update: every version prior to today's is vulnerable to remote user impersonation and takeover

This advisory will be edited with more details on 2024/02/15, when admins have been given some time to update, as we think any amount of detail would make it very easy to come up with an exploit.

But the commit to fix insufficient origin validation is already visible right there in the repo?

pelespirit ,
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Could you explain what you're saying in common language?

cypherpunks OP ,
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The lack of details in the advisory is only a minor impediment for a malicious person who wants to figure out how to implement their own exploit for this vulnerability. Anyone can read the patch that fixes it and figure it out.

TLDR: if you run your own instance, update it ASAP. If an instance you rely on hasn't updated yet, consider asking its admins to do so. And if they don't update it soon, you might want to reconsider your choice of instance.

elvith ,

And if they don't update it soon, you might want to reconsider your choice of instance.

The advisory went up about 4h ago. About 3h ago, my instance admin sent out an announcement that the patch had been applied. That was before I even heard about the issue.

Nice work :)

losttourist ,
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Without a published POC there's a slightly longer window before clueless script kiddies start having a go at exploiting the vulnerability, though.

fartsparkles ,

Script kiddies aren’t the first ones to take advantage of vulns, threat actors are.

jmcs ,

That doesn't mean you shouldn't try to contain the blast radius.

fartsparkles ,

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  • cheviotveneer ,

    private repo they commit to and build from

    This isn't possible with Ruby and Mastodon. The only way to distribute the patch is to reveal the changes to the source. FWIW, compiling the fix is still just an obfuscation method, one can still just diff the binaries and see what changed (see: reverse-engineering Windows vulnerabilities in updates).

    At best, you can release it with a bunch of unrelated and obfuscating changes, but putting work into doing that is further delaying simply getting the fix released.

    drillur , in Introducing Incremental Social, a community for both players and developers of incremental games!
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    I'm so proud! This is very cool!

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