badlilbean ,

I'm still watching Evangelion. Angy bc spoiler. Although I guess I've had about a few decades to watch it by now lol

lightnsfw ,

Give teenage me Gundam and I'd have done anything you asked me to.

prole ,
@prole@sh.itjust.works avatar

Give teenage me a Gundam and I'd have done anything you asked me to, including eliminating Treize Khushrenada once and for all.

Fixed

dangblingus ,

I know Eva has moments of commentary where the idea of child soldiers is criticized, but at least in the OG series, it seemed to work out for humanity in the end. Eva always came across to me as "children are easily manipulable and their feelings don't matter so long as the ends justify the means".

marcos ,

it seemed to work out for humanity in the end

Isn't it the one where the kid gathers all the power he needs to stop the invaders from destroying the world, and uses it to destroy the world by himself?

wizzor ,

That was my understanding of the ending.

cumming_normi ,

it all works out in the end, no one needs to worry if everyone's dead

dangblingus ,

They're not dead at the end.

dangblingus ,

Not sure if you're referencing some other media, or any of the Eva movies that aren't canonically linked to the show, but in the show

spoiler

NERV triggers Instrumentality, which, without much explanation, merges all human consciousnesses into 1 hive mind consciousness which may or may not have something to do with Rei being Shinji's mom, and may or may not have to do with Evas being living creatures borne of Lilith, and somehow eliminates the Angel threat. Shinji's abandonment complex is neatly resolved by him realizing that the military people forcing him to fight were right all along and that being in the military is awesome if you aren't afraid to be outgoing.

Theharpyeagle ,

I read the ending quite differently.

!Gendo's only goal in instrumentality was to reunite with his wife, and NERV/SEELE were just after power. Shinji actively rejected both of these goals by restoring the bodies of those who did not wish to be part of the hivemind. The ending was him realizing that the challenges of being human were mutually inclusive with the emotions of love and trust; the human body is effectively an AT field borne of the fear of being truly known by others, and love is the result of trusting others to view part of that "true self." Instrumentality would've made Shinji's life a lot easier, but he would've also lost the relationships he'd built with the people he'd actually come to care for. Also, instrumentality didn't end the angel threat, rather the angels all had to be killed before instrumentality was initiated to ensure they didn't just wipe out the human race.!<

emergencyfood ,

Which ending? The OG show, the movie, or the rebuilds?

OG show had humanity almost lose multiple times because someone at NERV was being a dick. The ending was about Shinji figuring out how to connect to people, not about the war.

Movie had SEELE backstab humanity, and humans only survive because Shinji's mother (the only sane character in the show, also coincidentally a civilian) saw the writing on the wall and came up with an absolutely insane plan that worked, at the cost of her life and Shinji's sanity.

Rebuild is weird even by Evangelion standards, and I think at this point Anno is trolling the 'fans' who want a conventional happy ending with Shinji and Asuka getting married or what not.

mctoasterson ,

Dude was literally going through some shit in his life during the original show, and "retold" the same story with a different outcome for the rebuilds. Mari is an analogue for his wife.

Let's be honest - who hasn't had an unhealthy obsession with a slightly crazy firecrotch at one point? Hotter than the midday sun does not necessarily equal wife material.

hoch ,
Mandarbmax OP ,

Nothing can top this comment. Thank you.

TheGalacticVoid ,

How long did this take you wtf

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I'm sorry, is their slogan actually "It's your time"?

Like when death appears and tells you it's your time? It's like they are recruiting for the losing team...

kuberoot ,

I don't think that's a valid criticism, I don't see death saying that, it'd be more like "Your time has come" - to contrast it further, wouldn't somebody say "It's your time to shine"?

Worx ,

With someone like that as the mascot, it's my time to come

littlebluespark ,
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

Why do you think he's on one knee? Hide the wet spot.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

It's your time to serve democracy*!

*Democracy being whoever is paying politicians to keep some war or another going for great profits

littlebluespark ,
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

the greater gooood...

profoundninja ,

Become a citizen of the Federation.
Would you like to know more?

GTG3000 ,

Become a hero! Become a legend! Become a helldiver!

jg1i ,

Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense.

echodot ,

Military intelligence is basically just about knowing where the enemy is. The actual espionage and counter espionage stuff done by non military experts. It has to be this way because the military doesn't exactly recruit for brains.

flerp ,

You're having a conversation with song lyrics

franklin ,
@franklin@lemmy.world avatar

Possibly I've seen too much

Canadian_Cabinet ,

Possibly I've seen too much

mindbleach ,

Anno would be first to tell you: the con is full of fans who understood it less than the army.

FiniteBanjo ,

TBF tho the corrupt insane military officials did manage to delay human extinction for years. Props for that, I guess.

Duamerthrax ,

*glances at the close calls during the cold war.

More like a few reasonable people kept the nut jobs from nuking the world.

frezik ,

They then launch a plan to turn humanity into a single heterogeneous blob organism, so that's not a win.

kameecoding ,
RatBin ,

le fishe au chocolat

Duamerthrax ,

Yoshikazu Yasuhiko, one of the creative minds behind the original Gundam series felt the need to create the Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin manga because too many kids thought the War is Hell story to be War is Cool and felt the need to make it more clear.

Also, stack copyright infringement on top of the other crimes by the US military. Pretty sure Anno and the rest of Gainax wouldn't be happy about this.

Telodzrum ,

The military has sovereign immunity from actions regarding copyright.

Duamerthrax ,

"We've made a law saying we're exempt from laws"

Sounds like they took page from congress.

Telodzrum ,

Sovereign immunity predates Columbus’s voyages. It’s also pretty important for a functioning state.

T156 ,

But for copyright infringement? That hardly seems relevant to military operations.

I'm half-surprised that the media associations didn't carve out an exception for that, or get their lobbyists to.

Magnetar ,

There a a saying that it's impossible to make an anti-war movie, because they always end up glorifying war.

echodot ,

You just need to embrace the glorifying war aspect like how Starship Troopers does it, and just be so ridiculously over the top that it's blatantly obvious how over the top it is.

OneWomanCreamTeam ,
@OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works avatar

I mean, there's a lot of people who really misread starship troopers.

RedAggroBest ,

Yea, there's a reason it's a cult classic. Everyone thought it was support of fascism and glorifying violence when it was released

mindbleach ,

It's a great example of media literacy, and specifically - thesis, antithesis, and synthesis.

The first reading is, holy shit, is Doogie Horrible wearing an SS uniform? This is fascist propaganda.

The second reading is, ah, everything goes terribly and nobody learns anything. This is an anti-fascist satire.

The third reading is... how are you different from these characters? What do you know, that they don't, that would stop you from wanting to know more? This is a movie about how fascism happens.

dejected_warp_core ,

blatantly obvious how over the top it is.

I don't know how to break it to you, but Paul Verhoven's satire pieces (e.g. Starship Troopers, Robocop) are a little too good. Far too many people miss the point, even today, with the entire film spoiled and then some.

Duamerthrax ,

It would probably be easier if you didn't use soldiers as your main characters.

emergencyfood ,

It's actually quite easy. Just focus on the victims rather than the killers. Come and see, Grave of the Fireflies, Catch-22, All quiet on the Western Front, …

wizzor ,

I've only watched Grave of the fireflies once. Can't bring myself to watch it again.

mindbleach ,

Fun fact: that debuted as a double feature with My Neighbor Totoro.

gabereal ,

Damn, that's... oof. yikes.
I hope Totoro was the first movie in that double feature.

Although, note to self if I ever open a drive-in movie place....

mindbleach ,

All Dogs Go To Heaven and Pet Semetary.

Babe and Vasa De Noces.

Fantastic Mr Fox and Antichrist.

mindbleach ,

Wall-E and Irreversible is a stretch.

So maybe Pinball Wizard and The Accused.

Iceblade02 ,

Band of Brothers is also a good one. War movies are so often the "moment of heroism" or tragedy, but in reality, it's not a moment. It's months, years on end of always being on full alert, where one false step one time is enough to die.

WhoIsTheDrizzle ,

Bump for Come and See. I believe it's a government sponsored Belarusian anti-war film and it's pure horror. Watch that if you believe all war films glorify war.

kent_eh ,

Schindler's List...

Theharpyeagle ,

Also Gundam: War in the Pocket. Great miniseries that zooms way into a small conflict to really focus on how war effects everyone.

callouscomic ,

All the military branches had giant booths at the last comic con I was at. It was very odd.

mindbleach ,

Well, you have to remember which kinds of high school the army sends recruiters to: all of them.

frezik ,

I've seen the LAN parties they have full of fembois. NonCredibleDefense has running jokes about armies of fembois, but it's more real than I ever imagined.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

I guess the enemy will be too confused to react once they see an army of fembois dressed as maids advancing. It works with the goddamn Maidman, after all

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Like an angel with merciless and cruel intent...

...hmm....

flying_mechanic ,

I went to an airshow a few years ago and the F22 raptor demo team was doing their show, which was amazing and the recruiter was working his pitch into the show the whole time. Between the talking points they would play music and the one that stood out the most was BYOB by System of a Down, which is a complete and total 180 to what they were pitching. It was incredible the cognitive disconnect.

SomeAmateur ,

Or the people setting up the show knew exactly what they were doing but their leadership didn't catch it

The_Lopen ,

As a member of the Air Force, I propose a middle ground. They just liked the music or associated it with badassery. They probably didn't think too hard about it.

interrobang ,

The actual name of the song is BYOB (Bring Your Own Bombs)

Somebody knew

The_Lopen ,

LMAO you got me there

neuracnu ,

What, no Pen Pen?

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