YurkshireLad ,

So Z became I, and I became Z? Weird.

TinklesMcPoo ,

First thing I noticed too. Odd how something like that happens. Reminds me of the Jim Gaffigan male seahorse joke.

CraigeryTheKid ,

Thirdly here. I've seen this posted many times, but this time that stuck out.

I and Z switching seems quite odd, moreso then any other switch.

Logh ,

I don’t know about you being a Z, but I always fancied the idea U and I.

…meh I dunno, there’s got to be some clever wordplay in there somewhere. Anyone more intelligent want to chip in?

Cataphract ,
Land_Strider ,

Such tender words.

DreadPirateShawn ,

...is this loss?

ironhydroxide ,

The Romans really turned around that archaic Latin.

someguy3 ,

Personally I always thought it was easier to have the line on the left side and then the different stuff on the right side. Probably from being right handed.

Eg: B D E H K L M N P R

Those all have a line on the left and the right side differs

veroxii ,

Not sure if true but I did hear somewhere that a big part of the Roman changes were to make carving letters into stone tablets and buildings easier.

It certainly explains using more straight lines in eg M and N. But maybe the flip also makes it easier to carve if you're chiseling right handed? I'm imagining how I'd chisel a K.

someguy3 ,

I can only think that writing on parchment was more common.

Gork ,

I wonder what caused the alphabet to essentially get mirror flipped from archaic Latin to Roman.

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@literature.cafe avatar

If by "ancient Latin alphabet" you mean the alphabet as depicted in charts like this you're talking about the Archaic alphabet, not the alphabet the Romans used for Classical Latin. The Romans after the Archaic Period used the same alphabet as we do (with minor additions depending on our precise European language), at least in inscriptions--Roman cursive is very different in form. The charts you're looking at are very misleading, in that Latin was written in the Archaic Period either right to left or boustrephedon, alternating direction with each line. But these are only the very earliest Latin inscriptions. By the time Latin really starts to be used regularly as a written language it is being written left to right, with the letters oriented to suit.

hime0321 ,

Yeah I wasn’t really sure how knowledgeable Matt Baker from usefulcharts is in ancient languages. Until I see actual sources I’m treating this chart as nothing more than guess work.

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@literature.cafe avatar

Skepticism is always a safe bet lol.

sik0fewl ,

He discusses most of that in his video - https://youtu.be/3kGuN8WIGNc

assassinatedbyCIA ,

One dyslexic roman emperor is my guess. I have no evidence to base this on.

SpeakinTelnet ,
@SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works avatar

At one point during the flip every letter were written sideways which gave us the infamous archaic roman phrase "IIII IIII IIII"

telllos ,

It was a change of management, and as the new manager had nothing to bring to the table. This is how he left it's legacy.

meliaesc ,

Don't you mean righted his legacy?

koncertejo ,

One of the best videos if you want to learn more https://youtu.be/sg2j7mZ9-2Y

Hubi ,
@Hubi@lemmy.world avatar

The step from Proto-Sinaitic to Phoenician is like the 2015-2020 era when companies simplified their logos to an extreme degree.

Alto , (edited )
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

I have absolutely zero expertise in the field, but every time you see something like that in history, I always wonder if it was primarily spurred on by a change in writing medium. E.g. paper vs tablet.

HappycamperNZ ,

The funny thing is went from tablet, to paper, to tablet.

niktemadur ,

Yes, but only after electromagnetism had been tamed like fire was!

HappycamperNZ ,

Have we really tamed it, or is it just being nice because we feed it?

Cap ,
@Cap@kbin.social avatar

So "A" evolved from cattle. Must of been from the Angus breed.

Hobbes_Dent ,

All this talk of archaic to Roman and no talk of how serifs are being done dirty.

Serif bias aside, awesome.

beefbot ,

Serifs are by products of the technology used to write them (stone, ink, etc) & are merely the on and off ramps to get to the real meat of it, & they are zero more.

Might even go so far to say they’re a waste of pixels and therefore energy. Fight me 😜

Hobbes_Dent ,

Serifs enhance readability.

*mic drop*

beefbot ,

I doubt that*. Serifs just add pixels to the labor of recognition. Serif fonts can’t reduce as small as the sans serifs, making them bad for things like iPhones 🤷‍♂️

*maybe I’d believe a decent study if you’ve got a decent source (stat sig N, clear funding source, etc)

Sunny ,
@Sunny@slrpnk.net avatar

I wonder what the next stage is going to look like, if changed at all in the future?

KISSmyOSFeddit ,

❤️💀😭🔥🫶✅✨😊😂🫡🙂‍🥰🙏👍😍👀🫠🫂🤓🎉🗿

Sunny ,
@Sunny@slrpnk.net avatar

Fuck.. Hahahaha

theangryseal ,

Love, death, tears. Eternal damnation is caused by human emotion. The correct path is in the stars. Humanity laughs gayly as they salute their fellow man and idolize him. Prayer is the answer, we watch lovingly as god watches us. We film the bumbling nerd as he falls to the ground, we celebrate the ancient athlete.

😊💩🤡

GroteStreet ,

⨂︎ and ⌽︎ not getting the love they deserve.

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

Ф is getting enough love in Cyrillic languages.

Cort ,

Also math

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

They can never have enough symbols in math...

supercriticalcheese ,

And obviously In Greek as well although lowercase is slightly different I think (φ in Greek).

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

To be fair, lowercase ф is also sightly different.

MajorHavoc ,

Very cool.

I'm not sure what a channel dedicated to this would even be called, but I would be so down for that.

SubArcticTundra ,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

I think it's a miracle that people 2000 years ago were using the same alphabet as us. I guess it just goes to show how important the longevity of recorded information is.

SubArcticTundra ,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

It would have been cool if it included the modern Greek and Cyrillic alphabets as well

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

Pour one out for my bois:

  • PlayStation accept + cancel combo
  • electric pole
  • the actual M
  • tree
Hupf ,

bdonvr ,

Never change, T

SoylentBlake ,

The Phoenician Q and H are way better than todays. And they got the X-Men belt buckle, that's fucking rad. They can keep it tho; I don't want to give Disney anymore free publicity.

The Greek Delta and Phi can make a comeback tho.

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