Attitude to Religion and its believers.

What is your general attitude towards those who believe in religion whether they are jewish, Muslim, Christian etc etc.

Do you get on well with any religious friends and neighbours?

Have you ever thought of believing in a religion at some point?

If you do not like the faiths, why?

If you DO, also why? Does this come from your family? Maybe something went bad during your life?

I get that Lemmy might have the same stereotype in Reddit that there are loads of atheists, but there's a good reason why despite criticism of religion, it is still here.

P.S. I am not religious or anti religious in any fashion, I am agnostic.

HarriPotero ,
@HarriPotero@lemmy.world avatar

I treat religion like my penis.

It's ok not to have one.

It's ok to have one.

It's ok to be proud of it.

But don't display it in public, and don't shove it down people's throats.

And NEVER whip it out in congress.

tatterdemalion ,
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I just don't support dogmatic thinking and indoctrination, especially when it creeps into politics, which is inevitable at the scale of the most popular religions.

In theory I have no problem with other people's faith, but in practice it degrades the critical thinking capacity of our population and, paradoxically, the moral capacity as well. That's a net negative in my opinion.

Charities exist without religion. I think religions often teach good moral frameworks, though very traditional. But those come with a huge caveat that you cut out a big hole in your brain for the belief that God exists and cares about how you behave. That one idea leads to so much trouble, from false prophets to normalized misogyny and hatred of gay people.

space_of_eights ,

I respect the fact that people believe. They even can form their own clubs as far as I'm concerned. Forcing those beliefs onto other people is something I do have an issue with.

hanrahan ,
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Same way I get on wih other people who have imaginary friends, I just ignore them and worry about the inevitable indoctrination (aka abuse) of their children.

corsicanguppy ,

What is your general attitude towards those who believe in religion whether they are jewish, Muslim, Christian etc etc.

It's totally okay, just like when my nephew talks about dinosaurs.

daltotron ,

Mostly I find them annoying. I mildly understand the need for human meaning as it kind of, tends to come up later at night, or for the elderly, or when life really sucks or you tend to even just be really really bored right.

I also understand some of the benefits, right, like. As much as people will despise to admit it, you don't get, say, the number zero without the Muslim science guys, and you don't get science without the enlightenment which stemmed out of some weirdass Catholic Christian theory guys. and then everyone's all like, oh no well you can't attribute that to the Catholics and if anything they hampered progress, and I'd say, well, maybe, maybe, but also maybe science sucks as we commonly understand it and maybe also you can't really divorce any part of things from their cultural context, or else things get fucky.

On the other hand I find them annoying and I find that all to be totally null and void because the vast majority of people are just using it as an opiate to placate literally all of their anxieties about the world with a bunch of meaningless thought terminating cliche style statements, and even actively reinforce their own participation in some of the worst aspects of their own culture and society even at points in which they really don't want to or know that it's horrible and is causing them pain.

So I dunno, mostly it sucks.

juliebean ,

personally, i don't get, like, at all. i don't care what nonsense folk put their faith in, so long as they don't use it to justify being a dick, or try to justify others being a dick. maybe they get some pity/sympathy from me, to a point, cause they probably got brainwashed when they were a child, or otherwise in a vulnerable state, and maybe some amusement depending on how 'out there' their counterfactual beliefs are.

i generally get on well enough with my religious friends, but it's not a topic that comes up much in real life.

i don't usually care for organized religion, but that has more to do with my anarchism than my atheism.

this all goes equally whether we're talking about conventional religions, modern conspiracy theories, new-age mumbo jumbo, or what-have-you.

HubertManne ,

I used to be fence sitter agnostic but Qanon has made me deep on the athiest side. I don't care what ones religion is but I don't want to hear about it. Its fine to mention it but if someone is always talking about it then I will avoid them.

shapesandstuff ,

I don't mind them doing their thing at home, but I could do without them shoving their lifestyle in everybody's face in public.

GreyEyedGhost ,

I don't tell non-straight people they can't have their pride parade, I don't tell people they shouldn't kiss or hold hands in public, I don't tell religious people they can't have public displays, either. What I object to is if any of those groups insist I join them, or insist I don't.

shapesandstuff ,

I hope my sarcasm was clear

WhiteShotgun ,

As a pwd and a 4th generation Aussie i won't employ any religious types and or conservative types

klemptor ,

I'm atheist. My mom is a devout catholic (and raised me that way) and my dad is an atheist Jew. I never truly believed and mostly think religion is dumb, but I'm fine with everyone believing or not as they see fit. I'm not fine when others' religion is forced on anyone else - e.g., abortion restrictions, the 10 commandments being displayed in Louisiana classrooms.

kenkenken ,
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If a person is smart an has personal opinions about everything or if they are a person of power I won't trust them. Because how can I prove they are a true believer and not a liar or sociopath?

If a person is average human who thinks what the crowd thinks then I won't care.

Zier ,
@Zier@fedia.io avatar

All religions are made up.
No one has ever proven that a "god" or supernatural entity exists, no one, ever.
It's all mythology, fiction and "supernatural" nonsense. Ghosts, angels, demons, gods, spirits, pick a name, pick a flavor, none of it is real. It's like insisting that Harry Potter, James Bond, Tinkerbell, Captain Kirk or Superman are actually real living people / spirits / entities, and they have the ability to control you now and after you die.
Just because you, or someone claims it's real does not make it factual.
You are allowed to believe in whatever you want to, but you are NOT allowed to force others to believe that same thing.
If you truly believe in your "religion", you would research it in every way possible, reading pro and con information to get a balanced understanding of what you decided to believe in.
You will learn where all the stories of your religion originate from, and that will actually decide what you choose to believe in.
Religion is a lifestyle choice.

hemko ,

Growing up in religious circles I kinda learned that there's no good in religion. Surely there's good religious people, but they spread the evil word the same as those who want to bring the oppressive shit onto others.

Religion has never been good for anything but for controlling masses

mo_lave ,

I don't care unless they force me to believe the way they do.

CableMonster ,

What would you say to a person that wont use preferred pronouns of a trans person?

shapesandstuff ,

If you're trying to make an analogy here, that's incredibly short sighted.

Forcing religious values down other ppls throats is trying to dictate their life.

"forcing" aka asking to be referred to with certain pronouns is asking to have your own life respected.

One is about having your beliefs respected, the other is demanding others to act as if they were part of your faith no matter if they believe or care.

CableMonster ,

So then what would you say to a person that wont use preferred pronouns of a trans person?

Aurenkin , (edited )

I'd say if you can at all help it please be less of a cunt

explore_broaden ,

Some religions believe that they should proselytize as many people as possible, so really not letting them convert you is disrespectful to their beliefs.

I agree that there’s a difference, but I’m not sure a simple argument like this really works since it is difficult to say one belief is ‘better.’

mo_lave ,

Proselytizing: You can say no without repercussions.
"Forcing Their Beliefs:" You have to follow the religion or you will face legal/societal consequences.

shapesandstuff ,

Not really the same thing at all though is it?

Also bit of a weird constructed example. A faith like that can only lead to it's followers taking offense or religious totalitarianism.

Which is not something I'd engage with so idk why i would tolerate something so intolerant.

The comparison is also kinda failing since one is a belief and the other isn't.

A more fitting comparison would be ostracising someone for their faith vs insisting to misgender someone despite better knowledge.

mo_lave ,

It's not analogous nor related to the topic, but since you asked, this scenario requires a lot of assumptions.

Is said person intentionally misgendering? I'll make it quick. "Please respect [trans person]'s preferences." It's not my business to force them to comply or not.

CableMonster ,

Taking a WAG at the number, I would say that 90% of people in your belief group would use soft power against someone that wouldnt go along with using their new pronouns. This includes things like banning them from social media, kicking them off youtube, debanking them, ect. Do you think that using influence like this is approapraite to get people to not offend the trans people?

mo_lave ,

No.

CableMonster ,

Okay then it sounds like you are like what normal christians are. The problem is that most of the people in your group will start yelling and use their soft force to get people to comply, which most christians dont do. So in the end your group is the one that is trying to use force to get people to follow their ideology.

inconspicuouscolon ,
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What would you say to a person who refuses to acknowledge or take into consideration the belief of a religious individual?

CableMonster ,

I wouldnt say anything. Modern christians in america are much much more accepting than those of the "woke" philosophy.

Mubelotix ,
@Mubelotix@jlai.lu avatar

It's very different. Misgendering is illegal where I live, but you can't be forced to care about someone else's dumb beliefs

gravitas_deficiency ,

I’d tell that person they’re being intolerant and offensive, and to fuck off.

And I’ll tell you that that is an unrelated question to the topic, and that you are being offensive by injecting that question in such a manner. You can pick your religion. You cannot pick whether or not you have gender dysphoria.

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