AnxiousDuck ,

MS Excel

tmpod Mod ,

Are you referring to Microsoft's spreadsheet software in particular or to spreadsheet software in general?

In both cases, why?

theywilleatthestars ,

When people started taking dudes in fancy hats seriously

Tehdastehdas ,
@Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world avatar

Investing everything in engines and abandoning battery development in the early 1900s. Lead-acid batteries were heavy but usable, and electric cars were more popular until electric starters were added to engines. A disproportionately big, short-lived reason was the lack of sufficient electrical grid for electric cars trying to go far.

Nobody in government was thinking ahead, so everyone was forced to trying to make their own money NOW, and that's how we get inhumane tech in general. Same thing happening in computers for decades now. We need centralised R&D free from market influence for the benefit of all life.

MeowZedong ,
@MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml avatar

We need centralised R&D free from market influence for the benefit of all life.

So you're actually saying holding on to capitalism past it's useful point was the mistake because it created the conditions for these things to happen?

Hacksaw ,
  1. We mine and manufacture nutrient dense fertilizer at massive environmental cost.
  2. We use the nutrients to grow plants
  3. We eat the nutrients in our food
  4. We expel 95% of these nutrients in our waste
  5. We dump our waste into the rivers and oceans with all the nutrients (often we purposefully destroy the nitrogen in the waste since it causes so much damage to rivers and oceans)
  6. We need new nutrients to grow plants

Before humans there was a nutrient cycle. Now it's just a pipe from mining to the ocean that passes through us. The ecological cost of this is immeasurable, but we don't notice because fertilizer helps us feed starving people and waste management is important to avoid disease.

We need to close the loop again!

flubba86 ,

Are you saying we need to start mining the rivers and oceans for nutrients? Or poop directly on the crops?

evasive_chimpanzee ,

Poop indirectly on crops. Systems like this or the Aztec chinampa system, basically try to keep nutrients in the loop with fish and other aquatic organisms. Obviously, there's a disease risk if you do it wrong, but that's also true for modern water treatment.

Etterra ,

You can sterilize waste pretty easily, we do it all the time, and you should before reclaiming not-water for reuse. Otherwise you're gonna end up with epidemics like it's the 1700s.

Hacksaw ,

Like evasive chimpanzee said we need to poop INDIRECTLY in crops. Hot aerobic composting for example has excellent nutrient retention rates and eliminates nearly all human borne diseases. The main problem would be medication since some types tend to survive.

Also urine contains almost all of the water soluble nutrients that we expel and is sanitised with 6-12 months of anaerobic storage. So that's potentially an easier solution if we can seclude the waste stream. Again the main issue would be medications.

I don't have the answer, if it was easy we would have done it already. The main issue is we don't have a lot of people working on the answer because we're still in the stage of getting everyone in the world access to sanitation. Certainly the way we're doing it is very energy and resources intensive, unsustainable in the living term, and incredibly damaging to the environment. We've broken a fundamental aspect of the nutrient cycle and we're paying dearly for it.

The other problem is, like recycling, there isn't a lot of money in the solution, so it's hard to move forward in a capitalist system until shit really hits the fan.

geoma ,

Discovering agriculture

theshatterstone54 ,

The downvotes suggest nobody has read "Sapiens: A Brief History of Mankind". A great book that I very much recommend.

rqg4rrpoz2 ,

Liberalism

Vej ,

Leaded fuel

neidu2 ,

At least it was (mostly) dealt with. Cars generally don't need it anymore, and the few that do can reduce engine knock through additives. I don't think I've ever seen a pump offering leaded fuel.

One big exception to all of this is small general aviation aircraft. They mostly run on AVGAS100LL, but it's not because of the planes anymore. Just like cars, the few planes that need it can use additives. But regulation for fuel standards change slowly, and ICAO moves at the pace of glacial drift.

scytale ,

They were probably also alluding to the long term effects it had on likely the people who are still the most influential age group still running the world.

morbidcactus ,

I remember one of my engineering profs describing Midgley as the most environmentally destructive organism ever, Dude also was involved in the creation of freon.

BruceTwarzen ,

But he also killed the biggest environmentally destructive person on the planet.

ianovic69 ,
@ianovic69@feddit.uk avatar

The Citroen 2CV.

There are many cars that have something worse; three wheeled things, Tesla design, the Renault dash mounted gearstick, etc.

But there is no other "modern" car which so significantly fails in every way as the 2CV.

It has nothing that could be described as performance or ride or comfort. There is nothing about it that can be called practical or stylish. It has zero properties that any sane person could find desirable in a car.

It's so bad that even the Trabant has less to damn it, and that really is terrible.

I think the best evidence that the 2CV is man's biggest failure, should you really need any, is that you are more likely to see them in the country they were made, repurposed as a chicken coop.

If that's not the ultimate failure, I don't know what is.

geoma ,

If you needed a light car with simple mechanics, it was kinda fitted though

ianovic69 ,
@ianovic69@feddit.uk avatar

There were so many better options that I can't even grant you a nod in this direction.

Nil points, yellow card, etc.

hellequin67 ,

I think the Austin Allegro would like to challenge you for a car with absolutely zero redeeming qualities.

ianovic69 ,
@ianovic69@feddit.uk avatar

If memory serves, I think at least some versions of the Allegro had reasonably comfy seats. I'm afraid that can't be said of the 2CV.

Also, the use of a "double skin" body, dropped by almost every manufacturer a decade or so before the Allegro, is really just another amusing tidbit we can taunt it with.

There absolutely nothing even faintly comic about the 2CV, it is an abhorrence at every level.

But I'll grant you, the Allegro is definitely in the top 10.

invertedspear ,

0-40 km/h (25 mi/h) in 42 seconds…. That’s 42, not 4.2 in case someone thought I missed the decimal. How did this sell almost 92k units per year up through the 80s?

ianovic69 ,
@ianovic69@feddit.uk avatar

No 0-60, you would die trying. Even 40 mi/h is over ambitious. Clearly, the 2CV was spawned by Satan to destroy our will to live. I see no other reason for that many sales.

muntedcrocodile ,

Communism

10_0 ,

Found it!

gofsckyourself ,

Ur mom giving birth to you

spoiler

Kidding, of course. I felt like someone had to make the dumb low-hanging fruit joke.

pastermil ,

I'd say we fucked up the moment we existed.

InternetCitizen2 ,

Surprised the chat isn't calling me out.

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

Every time someone tried to make "a weapon so powerful it would make people not want to wage war".

Several weapons are on this list, from the cannon to the machine gun to, most famously, the atomic bomb.

The fact that this happened once would've been understandable. The fact this escalated to nuclear weapons because people just tried pushing this idea is nuts though.

This is not toward so much the technology, with all tech being no less inevitable, but more to do with the intentions/hindsight/foresight of the people making something that can only be produced by an assembly in a seemingly dire setting, as opposed to something like AI, which does not stem from that and which would've come around at some time.

By extension, this extends to populism in general, a mindset that from experience I refuse to compliment. I'm surrounded by people every day who come off as thinking with their feet and not with the methodological part of them, and my experiences with this have never allowed me to be fully at peace.

mozz Admin ,
mozz avatar

“Let’s just divide up Poland and keep the peace. We can focus our whole energy on the western front, you can save yourselves bloodshed by the tanker load, and in a few short years we can share dominion over a subjugated world.”

“You so right, that sounds like a great plan”

“Hey guess what I just decided”

The whole world would have been different. It was still a pretty close thing with help from the Soviets and with Germany fighting a ludicrous two-front war for literally no military or geopolitical reason at all.

moreeni ,

How do I politely suggest that learning history through HOI4 or WWII subreddits might not be the best idea?

mozz Admin ,
mozz avatar

What about that didn’t happen? Enlighten me.

Reverendender ,
@Reverendender@sh.itjust.works avatar

Our collective response to climate change

BestBouclettes ,

I'm sure we've seen nothing yet

classic ,

As far as effort? You're right

BestBouclettes ,

And damage!

thepreciousboar ,

That's right. We theorized the effects shortly after the first coal power plant, and we have observed the effects for a century now. Yet the response has been minimal, to say the least

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

large efforts are being made, its just not up to par with what people are expecting from their governments

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