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Corvidae , to News in US Supreme Court rules Trump has immunity for official, not private acts

Laws are only for little people.

Got_Bent , to United States | News & Politics in US Supreme Court rules Trump has immunity for official, not private acts

In which community do I start a death pool wherein people guess the first person newly coronated King Donald has assassinated in an official act?

whotookkarl ,
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Most fascist dictators start with political opposition and journalists then move onto the scapegoats.

Got_Bent ,

I'm thinking Fauci, Garland, and Pelosi will be at the top of the list because they're all old though to die of "natural causes"

Then you've got the late night hosts.

Then AOC and the squad.

Not likely a Clinton or an Obama. That invites retribution.

whotookkarl , to News in US Supreme Court rules Trump has immunity for official, not private acts
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2021-01-02 Trump on a call with Georgia election officials asked them "All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state."

Not an official act on any planet in this solar system, how is this not a loss for Trump?

Zaktor ,

The court decides which acts are official. They will declare whatever they want official. "He was doing it in his capacity as president to protect the election. He knew he won, so the votes must just be missing."

irotsoma ,
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Problem is that with this, proving that it fell under one power basically means all other laws, even ones that specifically were meant to restrict that power, are meaningless. What he did could be 100% illegal, but he can't be prosecuted for it, so he can't be removed from office or punished after he leaves office.

If he was making that call as the official president of the United States, speaking in an official capacity, then it doesn't matter if the order he gives is illegal if it was within his power to order the Governor of a state to do anything at all. If it's not in his power for him to give an order to the Governor, then he just has to say it was an official suggestion as the president of the US. There's no restriction that says a president can't suggest that the Governor of a state does something to benefit the president. Doesn't matter that the thing he asked for was illegal because it can't be questioned in court at all to determine its legality.

Now it depends on if the Governor were to actually do it. And if as president Trump decides to order the assassination of that Governor once he refused, that would not be prosecutable. The assassin would be the only one who could be punished for the illegal act.

Immunity from prosecution doesn't mean the thing you're doing isn't legal, it means that no one has the right to punish you for that act. It's still unethical to break the law, but there is no enforceable consequence.

LordOfTheChia ,

They also included in the ruling that:

"Chief Justice Roberts determines that “official conduct,” which garners presumptive immunity under the Court’s framework, may not be used as evidence of other crimes when prosecuting former presidents."

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-supreme-court-s-presidential-immunity-decision

My understanding, a president having an "official" meeting with his staff regarding commiting a crime that falls outside of his normal presidential duties is no longer admissible as evidence for the criminal act.

MyOpinion , to News in US Supreme Court rules Trump has immunity for official, not private acts
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The Supreme Court does what ever the hell they want so I guess the president should be able to do the same.

hitmyspot , to United States | News & Politics in US Supreme Court rules Trump has immunity for official, not private acts

So, were Hilary's emails OK then? If okd by obama?When it seemed like things were getting better, they for worse.

If only Biden and the dems had the courage to do what's needed.

RememberTheApollo_ , to News in US Supreme Court rules Trump has immunity for official, not private acts

He could “officially” shoot someone on 5th Ave.

afraid_of_zombies , to News in Scientists wary of bird flu pandemic 'unfolding in slow motion'

I am very much concerned about this issue. Let me throw paint on Stonehedge that way others will be concerned about this issue.

EatATaco ,

Unwittingly you're proving their methods worked, because you're still talking about them.

Illuminostro , to United States | News & Politics in US Supreme Court rules Trump has immunity for official, not private acts

Are we ready for guillotines yet, fellow peasants?

saltesc , to World News in German car industry urges EU to drop tariffs on China-made cars

But why? Isn't that their capitalism at work? If they are good, people will buy them. If they are not, then German manufacturers have nothing to worry about. Heaven forbid a free market act as initially intended, balancing out to reward manufacturers that perform well and consumers with competition driven high quality at reasonable prices.

It's a bitch, aint it? Some times that Community Chest card ruins your whole Monopoly game.

Oh, wait... Lobbyist card hidden under the board. That's the capitalism we all know and loathe.

ichbinjasokreativ ,

German car makers do not want tariffs on chinese made cars, because they entered partnerships with them.

555_1 ,
Cheradenine ,

It's kind of impressive that you skipped the 'didn't read the article before I posted' and went to 'didn't read the post title before I posted'. That's innovative.

avidamoeba , to World News in German car industry urges EU to drop tariffs on China-made cars
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Recall, to VAG's major shareholders, it doesn't matter where a VW is made since they would always collect and distribute the profit from its sale. To auto workers and their local communities on the other hand, it makes dramatic difference whether the VWs on their streets were made close by, or a continent away.

maynarkh ,

Close by meaning in Eastern Europe btw.

German car maker lobby has been propping up Orbán since 2010.

avidamoeba ,
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Yeah propping up the organ isn't ideal. At least paying Hungarian workers benefits the EU economy.

maynarkh ,

Yeah, those factories have started to fire Hungarian workers as they started to unionize, and are now hiring seasonal staff from Southeast Asia.

There are outsourcing companies advertising people from the Philippines by saying they don't know their rights and can be paid below minimum wage.

All the money from this is either going to German sharehoarders or Orbán's overseas accounts from the taxes they pay.

avidamoeba ,
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Nice. Real nice.

gaylord_fartmaster , to Technology in Japan declares victory in effort to end government use of floppy disks

lol Japan invents the three major optical disc storage mediums that became ubiquitous and their government says fuck that and just keeps on using floppy disks

frightful_hobgoblin ,

they invented those too afaik

fluckx ,

At least the floppy fits in a standard envelope ( as long ad we're talking about the 3.5" )

whotookkarl , (edited ) to World News in Hurricane Beryl takes aim at Jamaica as death toll creeps up, destruction widespread
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Apparently category four winds are so extreme they uproot or snap most trees isolating affected areas and preventing first responders from being able to access the area after it's passed.

FiniteBanjo , to World News in German car industry urges EU to drop tariffs on China-made cars

I'm afraid China hasn't been playing fairly in the markets by producing certain goods at a cost to remove competition. It's going to get even worse after the state just declared all mineral rights belong solely to the nation.

FiniteBanjo , to World News in EU governments hesitant on Chinese EV tariffs as trade spat escalates

Don't hesitate, fuck em. They want to remove competition by selling at a cost? They can go ahead and sell to India.

FiniteBanjo OP , to World News in China issues rare earth regulations to further protect domestic supply

This effectively makes all minerals the state's property and prevents commerce with other nations who specialize in heavy machinery or electronics including: USA, UK, EU, SK, and Japan.

sunzu ,

prevents commerce with other nations who specialize in heavy machinery or electronics

how

FiniteBanjo OP ,

Previously, Beijing already started enforcing a ban on exports of REE and related technology exports.

The new regulations include a strict database on REEs outlining when and where they were extracted all the way to where they're exported. The laws stipulate that "no organization or person may encroach on or destroy rare-earth resources."

sunzu ,

So they limited supply to our industrial base?

Aint this something that WTO would handle?

FiniteBanjo OP ,

A bit off topic about who is supposed to handle it, but tbh I don't expect trade relations can get any worse with China even as a result of them banning exports of these. Certainly isn't going to get better.

sunzu ,

I don't see how that is off-topic. If we are having a trade issue, WTO should rule on it so every body knows what is "right"

More preferable to this escalation circle jerk IMHO.

Either way, if do chose this route, then we should call out people who blundered decades of industrial policy that got us here then.

FiniteBanjo OP ,

I explained what China was doing, you asked for elaboration, I elaborated, and then you responded "but but but what about all those other countries?"

That's off topic.

sunzu ,

This is a discussion. China behavior is part of the bigger picture.

Are you here just to plug a specific narrative?

My point mainly is why US allowed this to happened, how US got here, and is this not WTO issue, which you are very carefully tip toeing around tho

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