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flawed , to palestine group
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Self-defence know-how in public domain

I am sure some other anarchists might have already mentioned this (I dont know & cant remember), but towards the beginning of this genocide it occurred to me & I mentioned too.

The primary reason why Palestinians (by extension everyone else across the world) are oppressed is because they are systematically denied the tools of self-defence to free themselves of the oppression.

The reason why this genocide is going on now is because there is no deterrence for the oppressor (genocidal entity) for commiting the crimes its committing.

If Palestinians had weapons, this fascist entity would have never dared to commit the crimes it has been committing for nearly a century.

One thing is a given. Every oppressed population would want to fight back for their dignity incl Palestinians, but they are systematically denied the tools to defend themselves & the primary thing they need is weapons.

All "political solutions" without them having them access to tools of self-defence will only be oppression with another name.

For those who dream of a society without oppression, without State, without Capital, without all other systems of domination (Fascism/Racism/Misogyny/Casteism/Religion/…), one of the most important thing is public dissemination of knowledge of weapon manufacturing.

Even in theory its impossible to emancipate without weapons when the enemy have them, not just some — but have warehouses of them with an industrial pipeline filling its supply lines, while its enemy have none.

The reason why State has "export controls", marks details as "classified"/"state secrets", makes its industries hide all of this under "know how", "trade secrets" (using the intellectual property scam) is mainly because it wants its primary enemies (people it rules over) to not have any mechanism of self-defence to fight back.

This way it can oppress "peacefully" while in the best case all its victims are allowed to do is "protest" aka so called "freedom of speech", … i.e go & shout till you exhaust yourself & nothing more.

@palestine @israel

tzafrir ,
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@flawed @palestine @israel

You do realize that the leading ideological movements among Palestinians are Fatah (National) and Hamas (religious), and that currently Iran (religious, national) pumps them weapons so Palestinians fight a proxy war for Iran.

DropBear , to palestine group
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As Miko Peled observed, Israel and Palestine are the same place. He believes that Jews and Arabs can live together peacefully. That may be true, but by all appearances, it's true of probably less than 20% of the population. The remaining 80% would need to be homed elsewhere.

Palestine is sacred to more than Judaism and Islam. Ideally, I'd like to see it established as World Heritage. Protected by the world at large and thus needing no armed forces. I can dream, can't I?

What of the other 80%? Netanyahu advocates a state in Sinai for Palestinians, so let's make that two states. I think of them as sanatoria. Unarmed and heavily guarded, to protect them from each other and the world from them.

Plus a couple of very large prisons.







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Below: cartoon by David Pope, "The Echidna" newsletter, 7 June 2024

Left panel, marked with a red cross: Pole with hook for life ring and sign saying "In case of emergency ..." Person on clifftop throws life ring, on which is written "One secular Democracy" to people in water, surrounded by wreckage, between the words "Israel" and "Gaza". Right panel, marked with a green tick: Pole with sign saying "... er, please cling to the promise of a two-state solution" Robed man with staff stands on seafloor between parted waters, hands outstretched. Person in hijab on hands & knees in foreground. The waters are marked "State of Israel" on the left and "A Palestinian state" on the right.
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    • tzafrir ,
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    @textbook @Doreen32128 @TruthSandwich @palestine @israel

    Begin remained committed for a while to the line "The Jordan River has two banks, this one is ours and likewise is the other". However, in the years before 1977 he gradually abandoned it. And in 1977-1979 he was the one who eventually signed the peace treaty with Egypt that gave back all of Sinai to the Egyptians. Some people change.

    See also Northern Ireland.

    tzafrir ,
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    @TruthSandwich @Doreen32128 @palestine @israel

    The Palestinian Arabs finally managed to convene a parliament in October 1948. A few days later a countering one was convened with the blessing of the King of Jordan.

    rat , to palestine group
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    @palestine @israel

    התנגדות resistance

    tzafrir ,
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    @faab64 @rat @palestine @israel

    In practice they are a fringe on both the Israeli and Palestinian side. An odd variation of the single-state solution (somehow assuming that we can all live in harmony).

    faab64 , to palestine group

    Israeli Jewish-supremacist Minister of National Security, Itamar Ben-Gvir: "Every house in has a picture of Al-Aqsa Mosque. We must break into their holiest site."

    Why isn't this monster sanctioned by the western leaders? How far does he need to go before they take action against this JewishLKK leader?

    Can we treat this monster like holocaust deniers at least?or is it too much to ask?


    @palestine @israel

    tzafrir ,
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    @faab64 @palestine @israel

    > Why isn't this monster sanctioned by the western leaders?

    Western leaders don't really talk with either Smotrich or Ben-Gvir.

    (And yes, this is the guy who up until recently had a picture of Baruch Goldshtein in his living room).

    faab64 , to palestine group

    Right wing Israeli media now accuse #Biden of being 'antisemitic' for giving the the speech on a Saturday, the Shabbat (rest day) for Jews, because #Netanyahu and his allies cannot respond to the speech for the next 24 hours

    Hey, Americans, just shot up and send another $10B check to Israel plus 100s of cargo planes full of weapons.

    #Israel #Politics #Ceasefire #Gaza #Genocide #Media @palestine @israel

    tzafrir ,
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    @faab64 @palestine @israel

    What I see here is accusation that he is "coward". Well, this coalition keeps trying to force the Shabbat on all of Israelies and claim that it is a good thing (see deputy minister Makleb's words recently). Well, either do work at Shabbat or shut up. You can't force the whole world.

    appassionato , to palestine group
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    Netanyahu’s coalition would still have 64 seats out of 120 if Gantz pulls out over the handling of the war on Gaza.

    “Therefore, we’re doomed to continue with this bloody war. A majority of Israelis support the continuation of the war. A very tiny minority is disturbed by the horrible scenes in Gaza.”

    Gideon Levy

    @palestine

    tzafrir ,
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    @appassionato @palestine

    One thing to note about Gideon Levi: in recent years he seems to have been a supporter of the Netanyahu coalition. In that he either seems to think the other side is not much different from his perspective, or he simply enjoys trolling.

    So having such a quote from Gideon Levy is not that much meaningful.

    mima , to palestine group

    This war is a mutual interest of Israel and Hamas. Of Netanyahu and Sinwar.

    🎯💯

    @palestine @israel

    RE: https://tooot.im/users/hananc/statuses/112512602723488627

    tzafrir ,
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    @mima @israel @palestine

    Netanyahu. Not Israel.

    (No idea about Sinwar vs. Hamas. I'm not an experts as to their internals).

    tzafrir ,
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    @FloydyStu @mima @israel @palestine

    I used the word "interest".

    nicholas_saunders , to palestine group

    @RememberUsAlways @palestine @israel ya know, I'm all for this #lawfare . I mean, that's why we have regular laws. To prevent vigilantism.

    If the ICJ can resolve wars, great. But this seems more blinkered. Just aimed at the one party who shows up.

    The ones not in court are just weaponizing the law.

    #hamas uses #crybully tactics. Stick to #terrorism is my advice.

    tzafrir ,
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    @ganjajukes @israel @palestine @RememberUsAlways @nicholas_saunders @bigomelette @shachar

    So this is all of a better argument that we should not let Trump become the president because then Kushner's policy may get implemented, right?

    argumento , to israel group Spanish
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    Way before Hamas was a thing, back in the 70s or 60s, Israel, and western media for that matter, were already branding the Palestinians as "terrorists". Basically the west calls Palestinians "terrorists" whenever they fight back.

    The PLO and Al Fatah were called terrorists, and they are secular nationalist movements. Anyone is called a terrorist but the terrorizing, apartheid Israeli regime.

    @palestine @israel

    tzafrir ,
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    @argumento @palestine @israel

    Kidnapping airplanes? Is that terrorism?

    gee8sh , to random
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    Given #Google's unwavering support for #Israel and its genocidal apparatus, I am thinking of starting to transition out of its ecosystem.

    It's gonna be challenging, primarily because I use an Android smartphone, and because I have been using a Gmail account for ages.

    I welcome your tips!

    #FreePalestine

    tzafrir ,
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    @argumento @PeterLG @GregDance @Mary625 @ThinkIsrael @hanscees @DropBear @sentient_water @gee8sh @palestine @israel

    Netanyahu does not really want an end to the war. But then again, Hamas does not an end to the war either. And it is not keen on giving up its hostages either.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @PeterLG @Mary625 @gee8sh @palestine @israel @sentient_water @DropBear @hanscees @argumento @ThinkIsrael @GregDance

    Rafah Crossing has been in control of the Gaza government from 2008 to 2017. At that time it decided to cede control officially to the Ramallah government (but still maintain practical control).

    The other side is under Egyptian control, naturally, because it it is a border crossing.

    >>>

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @PeterLG @Mary625 @gee8sh @palestine @israel @sentient_water @DropBear @hanscees @argumento @ThinkIsrael @GregDance

    The Erez and Kerem Shalom crossings with Israel have been under such triple control (Gaza, Ramallah, Israel) since 2007.

    And of course the tunnels to the Egyptian Rafah were all under Hamas control (and paid taxes to Hamas).

    So if you wanted to get in and out of the Strip, you had to get the approval of the Hamas government.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @PeterLG @Mary625 @gee8sh @palestine @israel @sentient_water @DropBear @hanscees @argumento @ThinkIsrael @GregDance

    Well, Huthis occasionally bombarded Saudi Arabia. Does this mean it is not a state?

    tzafrir ,
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    @argumento @HeavenlyPossum @PeterLG @Mary625 @gee8sh @palestine @israel @sentient_water @DropBear @hanscees @ThinkIsrael @GregDance

    The West Bank aside. I never claimed that the Ramallah Palestinian government rules a de-facto state. The West Bank is not the Gaza Strip.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @argumento @gee8sh @ThinkIsrael @sentient_water @GregDance @PeterLG @israel @palestine @DropBear @hanscees @Mary625

    Before Oct 2023, Israeli troops did not enter Gaza (except as part of the two previous wars, after long escalations, and even then: not that much) - 2008 and 2014. Only one of those was in Netanyahu's time.

    tzafrir ,
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    @rato @argumento @PeterLG @GregDance @Mary625 @ThinkIsrael @hanscees @DropBear @sentient_water @gee8sh @palestine @israel

    No monopoly over violence? If you said anything bad against Hamas, you would be taken to an interrogation and likely your knees would not survive the ordeal. There's a reason there's not much criticism on the Hamas from within the Strip.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @Mary625 @palestine @israel @argumento @gee8sh @sentient_water @GregDance @PeterLG @hanscees @DropBear @ThinkIsrael

    Gazans could leave Gaza if the Egyptians allowed it (or if they paid someone on the Egyptian side. In addition to paying someone on the Gazan side, because they are very honest).

    >>>

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @Mary625 @palestine @israel @argumento @gee8sh @sentient_water @GregDance @PeterLG @hanscees @DropBear @ThinkIsrael

    Generally for one to cross from Gaza to Israel (through Erez) one would need clearance from Hamas, Ramallah government and Israel. And that one would be automatically suspected by both Israel and Hamas as spying for the other side (which was occasionally the case).

    This is a border between two bitter enemies. Not fun to cross. Kind of Check Point Charlie.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @ThinkIsrael @Mary625 @hanscees @palestine @DropBear @argumento @sentient_water @gee8sh @PeterLG @israel

    The thing is, people only complain about Israel, and never about the Egypt.

    Egypt did allow certain number Gazans to cross the border. The government of Egypt doesn't really like the Hamas government very much.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @PeterLG @israel @DropBear @gee8sh @argumento @sentient_water @GregDance @hanscees @Mary625 @ThinkIsrael @palestine

    Is India a state? Even though the Chinese military forces invaded there in the 1960s? (a small bit near the border, you know).

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @israel @GregDance @DropBear @sentient_water @Mary625 @PeterLG @palestine @argumento @ThinkIsrael @gee8sh @hanscees

    Nope. I guess you'll never learn.

    tzafrir ,
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    @argumento @HeavenlyPossum @israel @GregDance @DropBear @sentient_water @Mary625 @PeterLG @palestine @ThinkIsrael @gee8sh @hanscees

    Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

    tzafrir ,
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    @argumento @HeavenlyPossum @israel @GregDance @DropBear @sentient_water @Mary625 @PeterLG @palestine @ThinkIsrael @gee8sh @hanscees

    I would have explaining. However someone who calls me such names is not listening so I won't bother.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @ThinkIsrael @gee8sh @sentient_water @GregDance @PeterLG @israel @hanscees @DropBear @argumento @palestine @Mary625

    Why is that a condition? If you want to go from country A to country B, you need country B's permission. There are many cases where this permission is granted semi-automatically, and thus you tend to ignore it.

    When country A and country B don't like each other, it's a problem. Try to see what it take for Indians to visit Pakistan and vice versa.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @ThinkIsrael @PeterLG @hanscees @GregDance @Mary625 @sentient_water @israel @argumento @palestine @gee8sh @DropBear

    (Past tense. Pre Oct 2023)
    They could travel by land though Egypt. Some of them. Why not more? Because of their government that failed to negotiate it.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @Mary625 @sentient_water @PeterLG @palestine @DropBear @argumento @israel @ThinkIsrael @hanscees @gee8sh

    It seems that quite a few countries don't like the Hamas government.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @Mary625 @ThinkIsrael @israel @hanscees @gee8sh @palestine @PeterLG @argumento @sentient_water @DropBear

    Well, That's indeed Netanyahu's policy (unlike Olmert, the PM in 2006-2008 that was against Hamas and was working on a peace agreement with Abu Mazen).

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @israel @DropBear @PeterLG @Mary625 @argumento @sentient_water @gee8sh @hanscees @GregDance @ThinkIsrael @palestine

    Why do you think "Egypt helps Israel"? Egypt is an independent country with its own interests that only partially align with those of Israel. It kept the border closed because it is its own interest.

    tzafrir ,
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    @skippy442 @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @Mary625 @ThinkIsrael @israel @hanscees @gee8sh @palestine @PeterLG @sentient_water @DropBear

    That's a misconception. Israel somewhat supported islamists in the Gaza Strip in the 1980s because they seemed harmles and to counter the PLO. However, that was before the Intifada started, and hence before Hamas was created.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @sentient_water @palestine @DropBear @gee8sh @ThinkIsrael @PeterLG @hanscees @israel @argumento @Mary625

    No. My point is that the fix for that is a single Palestian government with Hamas out of the way.

    tzafrir ,
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    @argumento @skippy442 @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @Mary625 @ThinkIsrael @israel @hanscees @gee8sh @palestine @PeterLG @sentient_water @DropBear

    In retrospect, no. Recall that up until the mid 1980s, the Fatah was an active terrorist organization. Other secular organizations (e.g. the Popular Front) never gave up terrorism.

    But Israel did negotiate the Oslo Accords less than a decade later with the PLO.

    tzafrir ,
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    @argumento @skippy442 @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @Mary625 @ThinkIsrael @israel @hanscees @gee8sh @palestine @PeterLG @sentient_water @DropBear

    Sure, so planed hijacked by Black September Organization (a front for Fatah) were acts of freedom? Passengers were freed by the freedom fighters from the air crew?

    Leila Khaled, seen in this picture, is one of those freedom fighters. She was part of one successful and one failed such hijack.

    tzafrir ,
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    @argumento @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @sentient_water @palestine @DropBear @gee8sh @ThinkIsrael @PeterLG @hanscees @israel @Mary625

    I'm not sure I understand the question. There are very few people in Israeli prisons since before 1990 ("before Hamas was a thing").

    Israel was close to reach an agreement with the gevernment of the Palestinian Authority in 2008. But then Netanyahu came. Now both sides are more in blame-game mode.

    tzafrir ,
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    @ThinkIsrael @skippy442 @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @Mary625 @israel @hanscees @gee8sh @palestine @PeterLG @sentient_water @DropBear

    The Oslo Accords were designed as a temporary agreement for five years. A final agreement was to be signed by 1999.

    There's a general agreement among both Israeli and Palestinians whose fault it was that such an agreement was not signed (the other party).

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @gee8sh @palestine @hanscees @israel @PeterLG @Mary625 @ThinkIsrael @sentient_water @DropBear

    The siege on Gaza began in 2007 after Hamas took over. Not in 2005.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @sentient_water @GregDance @Mary625 @palestine @hanscees @israel @gee8sh @ThinkIsrael @DropBear @PeterLG

    Repeating this statement does not make it a fact.

    tzafrir ,
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    @RD4Anarchy @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @Mary625 @sentient_water @PeterLG @palestine @DropBear @argumento @israel @ThinkIsrael @hanscees @gee8sh

    Not Hamas. The Ramallah government.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @gee8sh @palestine @PeterLG @sentient_water @israel @GregDance @hanscees @Mary625 @ThinkIsrael @skippy442 @DropBear

    That article is not accessible. But I stand with what I wrote before: they confunuse pre-Hamas Islamists with Hamas.

    tzafrir ,
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    @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @gee8sh @palestine @ThinkIsrael @israel @Mary625 @sentient_water @hanscees @PeterLG @DropBear

    So much so that Olmert contiued the process in the West Bank in 2006. But momentum was lost due to the war in Lebanon in which Olmeft lost much popularity.

    tzafrir ,
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    @Alexandrad1 @HeavenlyPossum @ThinkIsrael @GregDance @PeterLG @israel @hanscees @DropBear @argumento @palestine @Mary625

    1. Israel has internationally-recognized borders with Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon (though not with Syria).

    Before Oct-7, the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip was well-defined and part of basically any draft of agreement between Israel and various Palestinian parties (but none of those was finalized).

    tzafrir ,
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    @faab64 @argumento @GregDance @HeavenlyPossum @Alexandrad1 @palestine @israel @DropBear @Mary625 @hanscees @PeterLG @ThinkIsrael

    I wrote "internationally-recognized".

    Israel has its version of its border with Syria. It is not internationally recognized (with very few exceptions).

    Lebanon (or mostly: the Autonomous state of Hezbolla) does not accept the internationally-recognized border with Israel.

    tzafrir ,
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    @argumento @faab64 @GregDance @HeavenlyPossum @Alexandrad1 @palestine @israel @DropBear @Mary625 @hanscees @PeterLG

    Because? Are you sure? The border between Israel and Lebanon wasn't really internationally recognized even before 1967, despite being based on a well-defined previous international border.

    Syria claims lands that were part of Palestine, because it annexed them by force in 1948.

    tzafrir ,
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    @argumento @HeavenlyPossum @PeterLG @Alexandrad1 @GregDance @faab64 @israel @palestine @Mary625 @hanscees @DropBear

    There was really no Arab state forming. It was thwarted by Jordan, Egypt and Syria invading and claiming the land to themselves.

    tzafrir ,
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    @argumento @faab64 @GregDance @HeavenlyPossum @Alexandrad1 @palestine @israel @DropBear @Mary625 @hanscees @PeterLG

    As for Sinai:

    Israel left Sinai ("To the last grain of sand") in the peace treaty with Egypt. And this treaty was signed by the right winger Begin.

    Dayan indeed said in 1971(?) that Sharm El Sheikh with no peace is better than peace with no Sharm El Sheikh. But 7 years later he was one of the negotiators in Camp David.

    tzafrir ,
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    @argumento @faab64 @GregDance @HeavenlyPossum @Alexandrad1 @palestine @israel @DropBear @Mary625 @hanscees @PeterLG

    At the time the Camp David agreement was signed, and up until 2005, Israeli forces were holding the Philadelphi corridor. So I can't see how this specifically is a violation of the Camp David agreements.

    tzafrir ,
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    @Alexandrad1 @ThinkIsrael @HeavenlyPossum @GregDance @PeterLG @palestine @hanscees @israel @DropBear @Mary625

    It's funny how I see many Israelis convinced that CNN is biased anti-Israeli.

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