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But also worried that OpenAI has access to Lemmy posts.

They have always had access to Lemmy posts.

US Lemmys what could Biden do in the next 6 months to EARN your vote? (other than just not being Trump)

Sorry this is kinda political. Is there an asklemmypolitics group this would be better for? I'm hoping not to get into the libs vs progressives political debate we see everywhere on here... Just want to know what people are actually looking for.

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The problem is, not voting is as far as they'll actually go towards "not participating in that system". They still want all the benefits that they get from the system.

So it becomes less of a politically motivated action and more of just a tantrum.

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Bro, what the fuck are you talking about?

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Recently, I was arguing with one, and they unironically suggested things we'd be in a better position now if Trump had won in 2020.

Which is to say, I think you need to have one first in order to lose it.

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How?

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biden won't accept a trump win

Huh?

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So you're okay with a Trump presidency.

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Come November, either Trump or Biden will be elected into office, whether you like it or not.

If your goal is to organize, one of those outcomes will make that harder to do than the other.

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What exactly do you think is happening right now under Biden?

A slower slide into fascism than would happen under Trump. How was that not clear?

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.ml accounts and cutting off their nose to spite their face. Name a more iconic duo.

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We want both of them out.

Reality check: one of them is going to be elected president in November. Your wants will not change that.

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Which is, of course, the one and only metric to measure.

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I think you're right, its not Russians or bots. There really just that many myopic, real people on .ml

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Interesting take -- walk me through the reasoning there.

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Sure. Or with any attitude.

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Pro-Palestine protests, of course, being the only form of organization.

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So, to be clear:

  • Donjuanme suggested that the reason they and Jaderick were downvoted was because of Russian intervention

  • Linkerbaan mocked that suggestion

  • I proposed that it wasn't Russians or bots, merely myopic .ml users (such as yourself) who did the downvoting

  • You've come along and suggested that those .ml users who did that downvoting are myopic liberals invading leftist spaces

Is that really what you think of yourself?

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What are you gonna do

Continue to shame you for ignoring reality and advocating for Worse to spite Bad.

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And naturally, with non-peaceful protest being the only form of organization, since both potential administrations will treat that issue equally, the logical option is to hand it to the one who will also do plenty more terrible things on top of it.

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Repugs and Dems aren’t the only candidates on the ballot

They are the only candidates that will win under FPTP

thankfully I can vote for someone who has policy positions much more aligned with my interests

Yup, you can virtue signal all you like. That's freedom, baby!

Or vote for more genocide, it’s your choice.

Nah, I'll stick to advocating against genocide++

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If we're subbing in things to replace reality, you can do a lot better than that.

Doesn't really address the issue at hand, though.

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I'm not surprised you think sharing a mediocre fantasy addresses the issue at hand.

Just disappointed.

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Both-sidesers sidestepping that second question.

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Hey, thanks!

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Well, I certainly never accused you of having the intelligence required to follow a thread that's a whole 5 tiers deep. So that checks out.

If you want to accuse yourself of being a myopic liberal, you go right ahead, champ!

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What caused it?

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don't blame us if Israel flattens Rafah

Yeah, that's literally the point. Biden is being blamed for the genocide up to now, so he's literally saying not to blame him if they flatten Rafah.

Not sure why that's supposed to be a gotcha...

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So this whole time you're simply being pedantic about the word "proof"?

That's pretty pathetic.

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What's actually bad faith is knowing what someone meant, but continuing to argue that a single word choice voids their sentiment.

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Prove it

You can't prove a negative

You aren't claiming a negative.

Logically, it was caused by something. You are claiming that the something that caused it was not the protests.

The only way you can accurately make that claim is with the knowledge of what did cause it.

So prove your claim that the thing that caused this was not the protests, but something else instead.

If you don't do that, you're admitting to arguing in bad faith.

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The onus isn’t on me to “know what they meant.”

Of course not. And even if you want to pretend you were actually unclear on it, it was then explained to you several times. So whether or not its on you to know it is irrelevant. You did know it, and chose to continue your argument in bad faith from there on out.

If you claim something is proof of something, be prepared to prove it when asked, or don’t say it.

So change the word "proof" in the parent comment to "strong evidence". Is it clear to you now? Do you understand?

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I sad it protests did not cause his actions.

Again, the only way you can accurately make that claim is with the knowledge of what did cause it.

So prove your claim that the thing that caused this was not the protests, but something else instead.

What should have been said, was

Agreed. And what you should have said was "There's no evidence that the protests caused his actions." But you didn't, you instead made a falsifiable claim, and refuse to back it up with proof. Making you a hypocrite.

I’m done with this discussion

Better luck next time, then.

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Better luck next time. If you're going to be pedantic, at least be good at it.

Unsure of the future with my current fiance.

So I'm not sure if I can or should continue my relationship with my fiance or try to fix things. We've been together for two years now. When we first started dating they said that they were working on finishing their masters degree but they have not done so. They also said they'd be going back to work after they finished their...

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Are you having two fiances?

"Do you have two fiances?"*

realcaseyrollins , to movies

Don't count on streaming.

https://www.popsci.com/diy/save-dvd-blu-ray-discs/

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Plex can fetch subtitles for media where you didn't include them.

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Make sure you don't vote for Biden though, because of that one issue you suddenly care about.

Inb4 the standard myopic replies from .ml accounts

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As if he wouldn't just refuse to do it

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There's a 0% chance they were actually told to work that many hours. They certainly weren't discouraged from it, but you're right, at a certain point you need to simply walk away.

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But a disturbing amount of Lemmy is ready and willing to risk making him President because of one issue that Trump would also do nothing to fix.

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Nah, I'd imagine he's also voting Democrat.

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You guys should really think about changing your voting system.

Lmao -- ooooohhhh why didn't we think of that!

Just snap our fingers and change the system!

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That's great.

I'm talking about the people specifically saying they will not vote for Biden.

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See parent comment of this thread.

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It's not about those voting for him, they're a lost cause.

It's the fact that if you don't vote for Biden, based on the current options and possible outcomes available, you are saying that you're okay with Trump beating him.

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There is no "worse" than full on, reigns free, genocide. Biden isn't just doing nothing he's supplying the genocide. The only way it could be worse is if US troops were activated to help.

Even if that were true (it's not) acting like that's the only issue on the table is absurd. Trump will be worse not just when it comes to Palestine, but all around.

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And? I'm saying I'm disturbed by the volume of them, hun.

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No it isn't.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/alligator-kick-black-guy-kicking-alligator

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You've treated the entire discussion from an inherent, single-issue view point to try and paint the situation as vastly different from reality.

Being polite doesn't excuse being deliberately dishonest.

Since you won't own up to it, I'm done here, and will continue to call it out elsewhere. Better that people see the con you're trying to pull spelled out than waste my time in this buried thread.

Now go ahead and leave one last comment where you pretend to be disappointed that I won't engage in your "totally honest and genuine" attempt at discourse.

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