KillingTimeItself

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KillingTimeItself ,

im baffled that someone was seemingly notified for what is literally two paragraphs and a sentence.

What has the internet come to these days?

KillingTimeItself ,

i mean, yeah it is complex. It's fucking war.

War isn't simple. Let alone war with history, and multiple decades, coming up to a century worth of history soon.

This war is the kindergarten equivalent of "no i said it first"

KillingTimeItself ,

ok so technically the definition of art isn't really a defined thing. The most likely point one could use is "that it isn't human" and honestly, yeah. But i imagine that's why "ai art" is the term people use instead.

Art it art, it doesn't matter what constitutes it, or how good or bad it is. If it's art, it's art. It's technically just that simple.

I also wouldn't classify it as theft, considering that's pretty similar to how human learning works. You ever look at a genre of art and notice they're all pretty similar? There's a reason. Could it break copyright? Probably, does it? No, probably not, should it? Probably.

it's funny to me that people are specifically pissing and shitting themselves about AI in particular, and not capitalism, and the fact that society is just ok with pushing it's working force out of the market if it means making less money. Where were these people when we got rid of our manufacturing sector?

You hate big capitalism fucking up your life? Me to, let's go commit arson or something (for legal reasons, this is a joke, it's hyperbolic, the humor is in the fact that committing a crime would do more for society than the following), instead of bitching about bill gates existing or whatever the fuck people do now.

KillingTimeItself ,

I’m all for automation

everybody keeps saying this, but i don't think everybody realizes that any automation, at all, can have a negative effect. Yeah sure automating labor jobs would be nice, what are those people going to do now? Get a college degree? Good luck with that.

We survived the automation and industrialization of farming, we'll survive this.

KillingTimeItself ,

Maybe because it’s much easier to create a plug in for photoshop than it is to build and program a robot that can identify and unclog your drains?

they also say this like these people wouldn't get incredibly fucked over. You're an artist, you can almost certainly find someone willing to pay for your services. A plumber who has no job? Probably not.

KillingTimeItself ,

this could not be stated better.

KillingTimeItself ,

welcome to the internet, we have racism, racism, a bit more racism, sexism, probably some more sexism, threats, lots of threats, and a few more threats. And that one guy trying to be helpful.

KillingTimeItself ,

shit like this is why im going to eventually create my own little internet island.

Dw, i'm going to rule over it like a dictator, no democracy here :)

KillingTimeItself ,

oh i've already got that part setup. I'm talking about exposing it to the wider world so i can create my own little internet cult.

KillingTimeItself ,

i consider i2p to be a form of this ngl.

KillingTimeItself ,

dw, the only rule is that i'm the dictator.

KillingTimeItself ,

ah yes, a classic.

KillingTimeItself ,

fluff, just to be confusing.

KillingTimeItself ,

can confirm, that this is in fact a cat,

I vote we name it kat.

KillingTimeItself ,

i miss the days when people made video games, and they were good.

I'm not sure why people are expecting the character of the video game to make or break the entire video game.

It's a new assassins creed game, it's probably going to be ass, like the rest of them.

KillingTimeItself ,

i meant more in regards to these massive studios, of course there are good indie games, there are always good people in any community.

KillingTimeItself ,

i honestly can't even remember who made that one, there was also elden ring, which apparently was also pretty good, but that was to be expected.

KillingTimeItself ,

huh....

Wonder why.

KillingTimeItself ,

thank you, a cock work orange. What insightful details you have provided us.

KillingTimeItself ,

im not sure that's what clockworkorange would say, but i'm sure the L makes all of the difference, especially since you took it.

KillingTimeItself ,

yeah, it sure does.

KillingTimeItself ,

i'm pretty sure this is illegal?

Can we get someone on this?

KillingTimeItself ,

that's explicitly not true but ok.

KillingTimeItself ,

do you run a local militia? How many armored vehicles do you have there?

also, BOXCAR? ARE YOU COMPARING THIS TO THE FUCKING NAZIS? BRO THIS IS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!

KillingTimeItself ,

man its a good thing the feds can't mandate what the states can do...

KillingTimeItself ,

if it's not religious, why would you legally enshrine it? What other fucking reason do you have? The schools can just buy their own fucking copy of it ffs.

KillingTimeItself ,

not once has the fed ever said to a state that the state couldn't do anything ever, it's never happened.

Not once. Don't ask texas about secession.

KillingTimeItself ,

It will be your neighbors committing violence against your other neighbors with the state’s blessing.

that's a really weird way to say "the government is going to take your rights"

Any reasonable person would compare the US with the fucking naizs? What am i reading bro? Are we referring to republicans as nazis here? Because i'm more inclined to believe you, but i still wouldn't go that far.

KillingTimeItself ,

what else are you supposed to do, not make frivolous lawsuits to make a point? You just sit there and go "damn, you got me this time bro"

KillingTimeItself ,

ah, a classic.

KillingTimeItself ,

and the road to fascism is paved with people overreacting. Yeah i've heard it all.

Stop being sensational and we can have a serious discussion about the current political climate.

KillingTimeItself ,

ok so if we're being political accurate with this meme, here.

Technically the "both sides are the same" thing should refer to the fact that both sides are focusing on getting power in order to further their agenda (usually policy)

But, i also hate centrists, so fuck both sides. Everything sucks. Nothing is doing it's job, though admittedly, one is doing a better job than the other.

usually this statement is interpreted in a broader, literal manner, which is interesting to me. Generally, it seems to be a very polymorphic statement in my experience. Sometimes referring to shit like "they're both slow, and they both suck" sometimes it's just people coping, because coping. Most of the time i see people say it, it's with regards to "how much bullshit they engage" and to some degree, they have a point. The problem here, and the reason i don't like it. Is because it's incredibly dependent on the way you define things, i.e. dems bad because joe biden or whatever the fuck. Usually, people saying this, particularly center right people, are fucking stupid. And don't seem to understand that while they complain about other people having implicit bias, that they also, inherently have implicit bias. Which they then further when they see people bitching about them, because "clearly, you're all assholes" or something. Centrism is fucking dumb. You're center right or center left. Sometimes you like dem policies, sometimes you like repub policies, it's that fucking simple. The only people who should be capable of calling themselves centrists are people in the government who get nothing done across their whole career. That's a true centrist.

if you're still reading this, politics isn't fun. Go learn a skill, seriously, i'm not joking, go learn to weld or something. It'll be fun.

KillingTimeItself ,

Trying to hand Ukraine over to Russia

i like how this one is thrown in here like we bought ukraine or something.

KillingTimeItself ,

i think we need to dissolve amtrak honestly. Legally mandate that a rail company cannot own anything outside of state bounds.

Force them to cooperate, it'll make them less miserable.

KillingTimeItself ,

yeah, it's only a matter of time before they try buying back alaska anyway lol.

KillingTimeItself ,

nope

KillingTimeItself ,

an individual, on the internet, or at least that's what i pretend to be :)

KillingTimeItself ,

shocker, really. Now if only there were a way to push like, specific policy type legislation through the government.

My point there was mostly that it's less about policy and actually doing things, and more about securing power. Because of how the US government works.

KillingTimeItself ,

huh, neat.

I still think rather unfortunately, that national scale business tends to incentivize extreme optimization, while good, tends to hurt significant portions of the service. But that's just me.

KillingTimeItself ,

well, tell that to the US when we bought alaska, and see what happens, it might be funny.

KillingTimeItself ,

BRB gonna buy the bucket off of your kids and give them money so they can go buy their own candy.

Like a true capitalist would.

KillingTimeItself ,

brb gonna send them some porn to make sure they don't accidentally "count my vote"

KillingTimeItself ,

well i mean resisting arrest is quite literally illegal, so that would make sense, considering that if you're evading arrest, you probably have a reason to be doing so.

Though you also have to resist arrest for that one to happen. Otherwise it's unlawful use of force.

KillingTimeItself ,

in reality they can roll up to you and tell you that you're under arrest, which means you have to comply legally. The actual proceedings of being arrested and charged take place later, so that's where that would be disputed.

If you were to resist, that's literally illegal. Therefore police have the right to use reasonable force against you (which is often defined as a proportion of your resistive force)

If you don't resist, and they do use force on you, there is almost definitely a case that you can hold against them for unreasonable force.

KillingTimeItself ,

If the only charge is resisting arrest then it’s a corrupt abuse of power on its face.

i mean, kind of? Like sometimes i'm sure it is. But fleeing in it of itself, is a crime. That's illegal. Maybe it should be legal, or highly contestable in court i suppose, but if fleeing wasn't illegal, you could just run from police, they can't stop you.

I mean yeah sure there's potential for abuse, that's why body cameras are a thing now. Every cruiser to my knowledge is fitted with a dashcam as well as a rear seat cam. It'd be pretty fucking hard to bullshit that one unless you're actually resisting. And by this point we're in a court of law and the only thing that matters here is what's proven, And even if they do lie, they can still get bit in the ass later because it's literally a fucking crime. (or at least, that should be the case.)

This happened fairly recently even.

They're not declaring that you're going to jail, they're stating that you're under arrest, which means that you are until dismissed, under the jurisdiction of the state, or specifically here, the officer arresting you.

Though to be clear here, if this is a thing that does happen, which i'm sure it does, yes that is a bad thing, and it is wrong, and it shouldn't be possible or legal. I'm just reiterating what the law is here. Even then literally all you have to do to not get hit with these charges is to comply. Which in most cases, super trivial.

In the case of a DUI here, in the event that you can't perform field sobriety, you're either brought back to the station where you can have a blood test done, which will demonstrate your sobriety pretty well. Like it's important to remember here that there are many factors to a DUI traffic stop specifically.

Usually you pull someone over for erratic driving (on account of being drunk) which is already, not legal to a degree. Usually they'll have some sort of alcohol on their breath (to be fair, you can just lie about this) generally there is an alcoholic beverage near them, empty or partially full. Having full unopened cans, as well as empty cans isn't in itself illegal to my knowledge. Signs of impairment, which SFST usually works to elaborate on. Breath testing, which inaccurate is another factor, and notably, blood draw.

We've seen similar cases to this before, there was a recent one where a kid got stopped due to a tagging issue on his car, insurance or something or other. Officer initiated a traffic stop, as is common practice, dude didn't know what the fuck was happening, and the officer was like "bro i think ur drunk" TL;DR he got pulled into the station, had his blood drawn, wasn't drunk, and then left. That officer was just a dumbass. (though to be clear here, i don't see anything saying he was jailed, just that he was arrested, not charged with any time or anything)

Are there problems with the system? Yeah probably, is there a good solution to this problem? Maybe. That's not my jurisdiction here. My point is there there are multiple places here where this issue gets caught, and fixed appropriately, and this does happen, routinely.

KillingTimeItself ,

Why is fleeing a crime in and of itself?

probably because often times it involves fighting and physical resistance, and in a number of other instances dangerous actions that can potentially put other people in a position of harm.

If fleeing wasn't a crime, an officer could initiate a traffic stop, and you could just not stop. Theoretically you could also make a law that says "if initiating a traffic stop, the individual must also stop, otherwise they are illegally fleeing" oh wait, that sounds familiar.

This is like arguing that not paying your taxes on time is perfectly legal because you paid them after the fact.

Trying not to have your life exploded is just a human reaction.

yeah, and to my knowledge, most people normally try to do this by being a polite and cordial individual who doesn't intentionally cause problems.

Fleeing is human. Criminalizing humanity is just another way to abuse power.

i mean, fighting is also human, and so is freezing. And if we're getting to the level of criminalizing humanity. Than i could very argue that we shouldn't criminalize rape because rape is a distinctly human experience, and it's an abuse of power to wield that crime over someones head, for something as human as rape.

Body Cameras are nice. When they’re aimed correctly, or turned on, or even exist in that police department. But the problem remains that a police officer need do nothing but accuse you and rough you up. Even with a body camera that gets a conviction. Unsurprisingly 5 guys pretending to wrestle a 100 pound drug addict sells to a jury. Compliance does not matter. You can be the most compliant person in the world. They can accuse you of letting your body become dead weight. If you try to help them then you’re actively resisting. Either way gets you face down with a taser in your ass.

yeah, agreed, and these are all micro technicalities here. The sun is nice, until you get sunburnt, the road is nice, until you fall on it, and scrape your knee. Cars are nice, until you get into a wreck and your shit gets imploded. Frankly if we're talking about injustices against humanity, i think capital punishment is probably a bigger problem, considering that numerous people, every year are wrongly executed.

Having empty cans is “open containers” in every state I’ve lived in.

it has to depend, if it's just sitting in your cupholder or something, that's pretty suspect, but if you've got cans crushed up and stomped into a garbage can or something, to be recycled, that's gotta legal. Otherwise doing literally anything other than throwing away empty beer cans would be a crime, and i'm almost certain a significant number of people recycle beer cans and bottles.

Your thought experiments are nice, but the police aren’t acting in good faith. The laws and thought experiments assume police act in good faith and it’s just not true.

which would be why the police aren't the only thing that determine your criminal status. Most police would realistically be operating in good faith, because at the end of the day, arresting someone means paper work, and also means transporting that person, as well dealing with any potential court hearings. It's less work to just let someone off the hook with a ticket or citation, than it is to arrest someone. And if police are not to be trusted, i see no reason for them to do more work than needed.

KillingTimeItself , (edited )

Not stopping for a traffic stop would be obstructing the police or something. Or, and this is super duper crazy, we could just take their license plate and send them the bill for speeding. It’s a civil offense.

i suppose it could also be obstruction, that's usually reserved for outside influence though. Or the odd case where something like resisting doesn't work.

In regards to your recommendation of what is essentially botnet spying on people, i'm going to have to give you a hard pass there. Cops very well could do that, and i suppose they could file for a ticket manually, but doing that automatically is a massive privacy violation, and insanely capable of being abused.

Rape isn’t a human experience. There’s no “rape reflex” in our heads. That’s jumping to an extreme and illogical.

i mean yeah, but it is also, a literal human experience. Which is what you used to define the prior statement. It's a uniquely human experience and i don't think you could classify it as anything else, considering that we developed an entire language, and then a word specifically for it, and have laws relating specifically to it.

Bodycams being used for corrupt purposes by a corrupt force is not a micro technicality, it’s the entire fucking point.

the specifics of them being used that way is, the broader existence of that concept is a more macro technicality.

And nope, they will accuse you of crushing them while you were waiting for the cop to run your plates. An empty container is assumed to have been fully drunk while driving.

fascinating.

They don’t get their overtime by doing nothing. Only “earners” get the perks. And the courts and prosecutors are partial to the police because they need them to do their jobs and the police have power over them too.

i suppose so, but idk what you really want me to say about it.

If you look up Judges sending kids to Juvie for kickbacks you have to specify which scandal you mean.

this is a correctional facility issue more broadly i would argue, i have significant issues with prison/jail and the way it works myself.

The system is not on your side.

i find it ironic, that you say this, and then argue for a system that literally spies on its own people, but you do you i guess.

KillingTimeItself ,

your privilege

my privlege? I mean yeah literally it is my privelege, it's quite literally a right that i have. Being a citizen of the united states.

What makes you think i want to be a part of society, engaging with the system? The system fucking hates me. Why should i do anything for it?

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