avandeursen , to random
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At CHI earlier this month: “Is Stack Overflow Obsolete? An Empirical Study of the Characteristics of ChatGPT Answers to Stack Overflow Questions”.

> Our analysis shows that 52% of ChatGPT answers contain incorrect information and 77% are verbose.

> … our user study participants … overlooked the misinformation in the ChatGPT answers 39% of the time.

https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3613904.3642596

maegul , (edited ) to Fediverse
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

The fediverse won’t succeed at putting up a substitute and that’s a problem?

Just an impression: All the pieces seem to be there. But what’s required is a team, with devs, PMs and coordinators, dedicated to making a particular place in the .

That’s resources and decently sized financial and organisational demands, especially to get a critical mass of users.

Is the fediverse up to that challenge? If not, is it an issue worth addressing?

@fediverse

tokyo_0 , to random
@tokyo_0@mas.to avatar

What's happening with and these days? Are they both still being actively developed? Are they thriving? Did one win at the expense of the other? Or do they coexist without issue?

I've heard very little about either since the situation blew up, but the situation with has reminded me and it'd be great to understand w here things are with them now. Where would I go to see a functioning Reddit replacement on the ?

Codeberg , to random
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Anyone considering how to break the already? Any alternative work in progress?

jamesmarshall , to random
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As we all know by now, Stack Overflow has alienated their primary contributors by letting OpenAI train on SO's (CC-protected) content, and forcefully preventing countermeasures. Therefore, SO content will likely become worse and even more outdated as time goes on.

So, time to migrate. What's the preferred open source, community-run alternative to SO for everyone to migrate to? Here's one list of alternative software to run such sites:

https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2267/are-there-any-clones-alternatives-for-running-a-stack-exchange-style-qa-site

Which site(s) are gaining traction? If none, who wants to start one?

dansup , to random
@dansup@mastodon.social avatar

Anyone building a federated Stack Overflow?

HarkMahlberg , to Programming

Anyone got any good alternatives to ?

ben , to random
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Stack Overflow announced that they are partnering with OpenAI, so I tried to delete my highest-rated answers.

Stack Overflow does not let you delete questions that have accepted answers and many upvotes because it would remove knowledge from the community.

So instead I changed my highest-rated answers to a protest message.

Within an hour mods had changed the questions back and suspended my account for 7 days.

Diff view of a stack overflow question showing it being changed from the original text to a protest message, then being changed back again by a mod. Protest text reads: Why does OpenAI get to profit from our work? I have removed this question in protest of Stack Overflow's decision to partner with OpenAI. This move steals the labour of everyone who contributed to Stack Overflow with no way to opt-out. OpenAI has a history of flooding the web with inaccurate information and have explicitly stated that they will never pay creators for their work.

Email from Stack Overflow. Text reads: Hello, We're writing in reference to your Stack Overflow account: https://stackoverflow.com/users/392350/benui You have recently removed or defaced content from your posts. Please note that once you post a question or answer to this site, those posts become part of the collective efforts of others who have also contributed to that content. Posts that are potentially useful to others should not be removed except under extraordinary circumstances. Even if the post is no longer useful to the original author, that information is still beneficial to others who may run into similar problems in the future - this is the underlying philosophy of Stack Exchange. Extensive deletions take a lot of effort to repair; please read "I’ve thought better of my question; can I delete it?" for possible alternatives. Because of the amount of disruption these incidents can cause, we have placed your account on hold for 7 days while we reach out to you to avoid any further misunderstandings. Once this matter has been resolved, your reputation score will be restored and your account will resume as normal. We sincerely hope this is just a misunderstanding, but we understand that you may have an exceptional reason to remove this content. If so, let us know by replying to this message. Regards, Stack Overflow Moderation Team
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    tg9541 ,
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    @ben Obviously we all gave up the right to the content that we created the very moment we joined Stack Overflow (or perhaps later when we "accepted" a change of their conditions).

    Everyone should have noticed that some of us were herded into a "beauty contest", akin to the wares at a slave market in the 19th century ( is similar).

    Those in the "community" who were motivated by mutual help were scammed.

    The best option is to leave, and starve them of fresh content.

    AAKL , to random
    @AAKL@infosec.exchange avatar

    If you missed this news, this is probably your data.

    signs deal with OpenAI to supply data to its models https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/06/stack-overflow-signs-deal-with-openai-to-supply-data-to-its-models/ @TechCrunch @kylelwiggers

    trisweb , to random
    @trisweb@m.trisweb.com avatar

    Byeeeee stackoverflow

    trisweb OP ,
    @trisweb@m.trisweb.com avatar

    This is what you get when you try to delete your content from #StackOverflow: they treat you like a criminal defacing their site, rather than as a human being with privacy rights.

    Will be saving this conversation and sharing publicly. Your move, Stack Overflow…

    Extensive deletions take a lot of effort to repair; please read "I've thought better of my question; can I delete it?" for possible alternatives. Because of the amount of disruption these incidents can cause, we have placed your account on hold for 7 days while we reach out to you to avoid any further misunderstandings. Once this matter has been resolved, your reputation score will be restored and your account will resume as normal. We sincerely hope this is just a misunderstand-ing, but we understand that you may have an exceptional reason to remove this content. If so, let us know by replying to this message. Regards, Stack Overflow Moderation Team My reply: Hello, This is fully intentional and within my legal rights and privileges, and l'd like to delete all content l've contributed to the site and close all of my Stack Overflow accounts down, removing all data associated with my usage, contribution, and identity from your service. Can you please help me do this?

    Hello, We're writing in reference to your Stack Overflow account: https://stackoverflow.com/users//xxx You have recently removed or defaced content from your posts. Please note that once you post a question or answer to this site, those posts become part of the collective efforts of others who have also contributed to that con-tent. Posts that are potentially useful to others should not be removed except under extraordinary circumstances. Even if the post is no longer useful to the original author, that information is still beneficial to others who may run into similar problems in the future - this is the underlying philosophy of Stack Exchange. Extensive deletions take a lot of effort to repair; please read "I've thought better of my question;. can I delete it?" for possible alternatives. Because of the amount of disruption these incidents can cause, we have placed your account on hold for 7 days while we reach out to you to avoid any further misunderstandings.
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    gittaca , to random
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    Amazing how fans of code overlook inconvenient details in industry's own surveys:
    > … respondents with more experience were less
    > likely to associate AI with productivity gains …
    > --https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/05/gitlab_ai_coding/

    Sounds like it can replace/augment those with experience levels
    But actual specialists? Have -1 incentive now to write down their experience. 📉trends ensue.

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