maegul , (edited ) to Fediverse
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

The fediverse won’t succeed at putting up a substitute and that’s a problem?

Just an impression: All the pieces seem to be there. But what’s required is a team, with devs, PMs and coordinators, dedicated to making a particular place in the .

That’s resources and decently sized financial and organisational demands, especially to get a critical mass of users.

Is the fediverse up to that challenge? If not, is it an issue worth addressing?

@fediverse

haui_lemmy ,
@haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com avatar

Amen. Same problem here. But feel free to hit me up if you find someone who wants to do it. I wouldnt mind helping with design stuff since that meeds different skills than coding.

lambalicious ,

Forget federated stackoverflow, give me federated Gardening.StackExchange!

tokyo_0 , to random
@tokyo_0@mas.to avatar

What's happening with and these days? Are they both still being actively developed? Are they thriving? Did one win at the expense of the other? Or do they coexist without issue?

I've heard very little about either since the situation blew up, but the situation with has reminded me and it'd be great to understand w here things are with them now. Where would I go to see a functioning Reddit replacement on the ?

jamesmarshall , to random
@jamesmarshall@sfba.social avatar

As we all know by now, Stack Overflow has alienated their primary contributors by letting OpenAI train on SO's (CC-protected) content, and forcefully preventing countermeasures. Therefore, SO content will likely become worse and even more outdated as time goes on.

So, time to migrate. What's the preferred open source, community-run alternative to SO for everyone to migrate to? Here's one list of alternative software to run such sites:

https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2267/are-there-any-clones-alternatives-for-running-a-stack-exchange-style-qa-site

Which site(s) are gaining traction? If none, who wants to start one?

jerry ,
@jerry@infosec.exchange avatar

@nopatience @jamesmarshall I have been looking for an excuse to spin up a discourse instance

nopatience ,
@nopatience@swecyb.com avatar

@jerry

In all seriousness, perhaps having you run things may to a certain extent lend some credibility towards running "it" for more than a few weeks.

@jamesmarshall

Codeberg , to random
@Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de avatar

Anyone considering how to break the already? Any alternative work in progress?

dansup , to random
@dansup@mastodon.social avatar

Anyone building a federated Stack Overflow?

astrojuanlu ,
@astrojuanlu@social.juanlu.space avatar

@dansup Why?

On Mastodon, I cannot see the full conversation, only the posts my server knows about.

On a federated SO, would I see only the answers my server knows about? How can I know I'm looking at the best then?

What's the point of decentralizing questions, which have just one "most correct" answer?

dan613 ,
@dan613@ottawa.place avatar

@dansup The problem with doing that to avoid ChatGPT et al is that all they have to do is build their own server and federate. They can then scrape every answer.

However, it would be nice to have a non-corporate system. Painful to rebuild Stack Overflow's database.

HarkMahlberg , to Programming

Anyone got any good alternatives to ?

HarkMahlberg OP ,

Let's be real, SO didn't need AI, most of it was already a shit salad. It became increasingly less useful from 2016 to now.

jcolag ,
@jcolag@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I only just learned about this, so haven't signed up or checked out the communities and therefore won't endorse it, but Codidact just came across my desk. https://codidact.com/

AAKL , to random
@AAKL@infosec.exchange avatar

If you missed this news, this is probably your data.

signs deal with OpenAI to supply data to its models https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/06/stack-overflow-signs-deal-with-openai-to-supply-data-to-its-models/ @TechCrunch @kylelwiggers

gittaca , to random
@gittaca@chaos.social avatar

Amazing how fans of code overlook inconvenient details in industry's own surveys:
> … respondents with more experience were less
> likely to associate AI with productivity gains …
> --https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/05/gitlab_ai_coding/

Sounds like it can replace/augment those with experience levels
But actual specialists? Have -1 incentive now to write down their experience. 📉trends ensue.

mnl ,
@mnl@hachyderm.io avatar

@gittaca I think that technology per se does not carry any value. It just is and entirely exists within the confines of how it gets put to use, which is why I find it so frustrating that pretty much all the discourse from my internet bubble lives within the (capitalist) industry’s framing instead of focusing on the ways that it actually functions well and creating new frames.

1/

mnl ,
@mnl@hachyderm.io avatar

@gittaca There’s so many opportunities here, I talk about the things I already use them for and find it sad that responses to that are “managers will misuse it anyway”. Like no, that’s my point, this is empowering to you, not the manager. And if they consider you a metrics driven pawn that can be replaced that was probably the case already.

But it makes me realize (and sad) I should just focus more on just blogging about what I do instead of trying to have a discussion on mastodon.

3/3

avandeursen , to random
@avandeursen@mastodon.acm.org avatar

At CHI earlier this month: “Is Stack Overflow Obsolete? An Empirical Study of the Characteristics of ChatGPT Answers to Stack Overflow Questions”.

> Our analysis shows that 52% of ChatGPT answers contain incorrect information and 77% are verbose.

> … our user study participants … overlooked the misinformation in the ChatGPT answers 39% of the time.

https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3613904.3642596

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