JD Vance opposes military aid, NATO membership for Ukraine. He's now Trump's VP pick ( kyivindependent.com )

Vance is one of Trump's most vocal supporters and an outspoken critic of U.S. aid to Ukraine.

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Vance has said that it would be "completely irresponsible" for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.

"Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you're gonna have a peace deal, because that's the only way out of the conflict," Vance said in February.

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anticolonialist ,

NATO should have been dissolved with the Warsaw Pact. Its nothing more that the European arm of US imperialism

Brunbrun6766 ,
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Go away

anticolonialist ,

I'm not going anywhere. I will call out US imperialism and colonialism every chance that I get and I will stand against anybody defending that imperialism.

Deceptichum ,
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Good thing it wasn’t as Putin has shown Russia is still a threat to innocent nations who aren’t protected by NATO membership.

anticolonialist ,

NATO has already told Ukraine they will not get NATO membership because they are too corrupt. The exact same rhetoric that every nation on Earth called Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion.

BaroqueInMind ,

I have to disagree with your opinion, but also can't deny that this makes logical sense in an ideal world.

But the reality is that we don't, and people still only respond to threats of violence which include deterrence; case-in-point the current situation in Ukraine.

In summary: fuck Trump, fuck Putin, and fuck you.

anticolonialist ,

Tender little imperialist defending snowflake

VinnyDaCat ,

I'm not complaining. Only way I'd be happier with his VP pick is if he took up Rubio and forced him to give up Florida.

Vance is also a snake and he'll backstab the orange man at some point most likely.

PlainSimpleGarak ,

Vance is a cuck. He was a harsh critic of Trump until he wasn't.

I don't see how Vance gets Trump any extra votes. They appear to attract the same kind of people.

If they win, it gets Vance out of my state. Which is fine (I voted for Tim Ryan).

obinice ,
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Vance is a cuck.

Politics aside, are we shaming people for their sexual kinks now, if they're not harming anybody?

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

This presupposes he believes in anything. I haven’t read it because everyone said it was garbage but I’m pretty sure he wrote his memoir about “Appalachia” when he grew up near Dayton, OH.

jimmydoreisalefty ,
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I agree that Ukraine has lost land due to the US/NATO stopping Russia-Ukraine peace deals and talks in 2022.

I am anti-war, so peace deals should be at the forefront; war is a Last Resort[1].

Many on the 'far left' and 'far right' say:

NATO is a terrorist organization.

[1] Papa Roach - Last Resort 2020 (Explicit) [03:22 | Rap, Rock, USA, In English, Rap Metal, Mental Health, Metal, Alternative Metal, Nu-Metal] https://youtu.be/D2Jl27lYExU

Illecors ,
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What peace deals were those? Must've missed them.

cabron_offsets ,

That guy’s a useful idiot, look at his history.

jimmydoreisalefty ,
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Great show; I made communities for the hosts!

You reminded me to share a video, thanks!

Useful Idiots is an informative and irreverent politics podcast with journalists @aaronjmate and @kthalps

Chocrates ,

The peace deal where Ukraine gives up its territory.

massive_bereavement ,
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And then Moldova, and then Lithuania, and then Northern Finland, and then I pinky promise peace.

Chocrates ,

I'm not saying I agree, the Russian or GOP troll above is trying to shift the narrative to Ukraine bad, somehow.

skillissuer ,
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not even peace deal, that was ceasefire. when all that was given up only then russians wanted to negotiate peace deal

gAlienLifeform ,
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Oh yeah, the one that goes "cut my land into pieces, for oligarchs' resorts"

AuroraZzz ,

This sounds like something stupid Joe Rogan would say lol

jimmydoreisalefty ,
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Do you watch Joe Rogan directly or do you just watch people that talk about him and tell you what to think about him?

AbidanYre ,

The guy got famous making people eat blended rats. I don't need to listen to his podcast to know I don't give a shit what he has to say.

massive_bereavement ,
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A hearty diet on bended rats made me who I am today, so I do not recommend it.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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But what if I told you he sold brain supplements to make his listeners smart?

SeaJ ,

If you are anti-wat, you hoyos be against Russia starting them in the first place or at the very least support making it not worth it in the future. Forcing Ukraine to give up territory is neither of those.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Dear god you are tiresome

echo ,

Yes, that's kind of a pre-requisite to being on Putin's payroll...

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