Ocean Heat Has Shattered Records for More Than a Year. What’s Happening? ( www.nytimes.com )

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“There’s no ambiguity about the data,” said Gavin Schmidt, a climatologist and the director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. “So really, it’s a question of attribution.”

Understanding what specific physical processes are behind these temperature records will help scientists improve their climate models and better predict temperatures in the future.

GiddyGap ,

I have a lot of conservative family members in my extended family. You can tell them this all day long, present all the data in the world, and they wouldn't care one single crap.

"Hoax, lies, fake news, liberal agenda, etc, etc."

silence7 OP ,

The messaging needs to come from somebody they trust.

werefreeatlast ,

It's 3D printing.... All those people getting cancer giving resins at home for 3D figurines and other useless items. That must be a large blip in some toxic item polluting the environment right now.

silence7 OP ,

None of that is a greenhouse gas.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

climate change. climate change is happening.

silence7 OP ,

It's a little more complicated than that — El Niño, plus climate change, plus a cut in the amount of sulfur in the fuel burned by ships, plus something that's not fully understood.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

el nino is that bad because of climate change. i think this was predicted.

im.curious about the sulfur thing, what changes?

silence7 OP ,

There was an international treaty to cut the amount of sulfur in the bunker oil that the big ships burn. This is because the particulates it produces when burned kill people. They also reflected a bunch of sunlight, preventing it from warming the water.

mojofrododojo ,

we're all the frogs in god's slowly boiling kettle.

Fortunately Exxon et al made STELLAR profits for damn near a century, it only cost us the one viable ecosystem we have in the entire known universe.

Tsk. Well profits have to be made, it's capitalism. Can't argue with that.

silence7 OP ,

“Yes, the planet got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders.” (https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/67139a9a-2524-440c-8011-ecae00d8eea6.webp)

rusticus ,

Narrator: The world became uninhabitable. But for a short time, it created tremendous value for our shareholders.

youngGoku ,

My wife told me I was a doomer gloomer for not wanting to have kids due to climate uncertainty. I wanted to adopt instead.

I'm terrified of how the world will look over the next century for my 6 month old son.

NineMileTower ,

I'm confused. You don't want your own kids because they might be in peril due to the climate. I get that. But do you think it will be any easier to leave an adopted kid in a world that you think is unfit to have children in?

aBundleOfFerrets ,

Woohoo! The beginning of the end!!

silence7 OP ,

It doesn't have to be. That's entirely a human decision.

ITypeWithMyDick ,

And humans wont do anything till its too late. As we always do.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Or even then. If it makes a penny less profit, it’s not going to happen.

silence7 OP ,

That's up to us. Get involved. Join an activist group, or a political campaign. Change policy. Show your neighbors how it's possible to cut fossil fuels out of your life.

demonsword ,
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Show your neighbors how it’s possible to cut fossil fuels out of your life

Corporations account for more than 80% of all emissions. Anything we do on a personal level is the proverbial drop in the ocean

silence7 OP ,

Kinda sorta; they're responsible for more than 80% of scope 3 emissions, which counts what happens when fossil fuels they extract and sell are subsequently burned. Individually, what you do is tiny, but as you show people around you that it's possible to live without fossil fuels, it changes behavior in the aggregate.

bloodfart ,

This is not true.

silence7 OP ,

Sorry, but you'll need to bring evidence for that kind of statement

bloodfart ,

The opposite is true. If you want to credibly assert that fossil fuel consumption at the point of extraction can be controlled by consumer behavior it is you who needs to bring evidence.

Even discounting that boycotts cannot work without accompanying violence.

When the plastics industry, an industry concerned with the mere byproducts of fossil fuel extraction, realized that public opinion was turning against their products, they created a multibillion dollar campaign to convince everyone that those plastics were fine and would be recycled even though the technology was never available or cost effective for large scale use and all that plastic waste was just getting dumped in landfills and shipped across the ocean to foreign landfills.

That misinformation was the accepted wisdom for thirty years.

That’s what the industry concerned with the unavoidable byproducts of extraction and refinement of fossil fuels did when everyone started to turn against them after literal decades of grassroots propaganda around litter.

They gaslit the world into believing that it was okay to use plastics for packaging because they could be recycled.

Even if you still believe that you and all your friends can change the course of the main event, the most powerful wealth extraction industry ever known in human history, and keep from being turned against each other, made into pariahs, expelled from society and keep the points of your own knives aimed away from yourselves simply by deciding not to buy fossil fuels, what do you think they’re gonna do?

They’ll just load em up in a tanker and send em over to a place where someone will.

And sell you plastic doodads that run on electricity that is still made by burning fossil fuels.

I don’t need to provide evidence that we can’t change the path of the extractive industries with boycotts, I’ve spent my whole life living in the outcome of that reality.

silence7 OP ,

In short, you're sealioning.

bloodfart ,

I don’t know what that means.

You made a claim, I said nuh uh, you said prove it, I said you ought to be proving your claim since the entirety of history about your claim in the broadest sense shows the opposite, in the specific sense you’re making it we have an example of your claim being wrong in our living memories and even if somehow your claim were actually true it wouldn’t lead to the result you try to show.

Put up or shut up. Explain how showing people around you that it’s possible to live without fossil fuels will change behavior in aggregate.

silence7 OP ,

So you have no evidence for your position.

ITypeWithMyDick ,

Yup, youre just a troll

silence7 OP ,

So let's summarize:

  • You make a dubious claim
  • I ask for evidence
  • You claim that I'm the one responsible for evidence
  • I point out how you're trolling
  • You say again that I'm the one who is supposed to give evidence
  • I point out that this makes it clear you have none
  • You tell me that I'm a troll

If you had evidence, you'd have shown it by now. But you don't.

ITypeWithMyDick ,

Except I already did provide evidance/links, never claimed you needed to provide evidance (though you never did provide any to back up your claims).

So yeah, above is wildly untrue.

Troll.

silence7 OP ,

And now you pretend to have had evidence. You didn't

ITypeWithMyDick ,

Check the post times.

Troll.

silence7 OP ,

Indeed you are.

ITypeWithMyDick ,

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