Kusimulkku ,

Here people are stealing expensive cheese and meats to sell to pay for drugs

I'm not particularly sympathetic towards that.

exocrinous ,

How else are people supposed to get drugs

Kusimulkku ,

Could use the benefit money for it. Which they do. Welfare benefits in Finland are top notch, but yeah there's never enough money for (enough) drugs. So lot of them do crime, burglaries, stealing from stores, stealing bikes and whatnot to get more money for (more) drugs.

It doesn't make me very sympathetic to them stealing from a store though. It's not like they're stealing to not starve or something.

MonkeMischief ,

You're not wrong.

You probably are getting a few downvotes from people in places like the US, who are more sympathetic to food theft because we have ridiculously thin social systems here that don't care about peoples' struggles but are first in line to dish out punishment.

If Finland's welfare is that good, you're probably right. Drugs are a cruel master and are never satisfied. :(

Kusimulkku ,

Yeah, it's a situation where I feel for them being addicts and all, but with there being housing, access to rehab and all sorts of programs, food aid, ample benefits and so on, it's harder to feel for them stealing to finance buying more drugs.

Zehzin ,
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Sick, where is this place I can go to for cheap cheese and drugs?

worldofbirths ,
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We judge ourselves by our motives, but others by their actions.

Agent641 ,

What about someone who helps and teaches others how to shoplift effectively?

Th4tGuyII ,
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I'm certainly not a snitch, but my respect only goes towards people who are stealing what they need rather than what they want - the former is surviving the struggle, the other is kleptomania

Delphia ,

Stealing Pasta and canned veggies = necessity.

Stealing Nike TNs when you're already wearing a pair = yeah fuck you.

Bonehead ,

At Walmart, or at least the one I worked at, every single case and jar of baby formula was tagged with a security strip that sets off the alarms at the door, on the inside of the container to make it difficult to remove. Baby formula was the most stolen item in the store. It's also one of the most expensive food items in the store.

Coincidentally, I would also find empty packaging with the security strip still attached in the handicap bathroom that was far away from the front doors and the alarm sensors.

Pyro ,

I have no respect for people shoplifting non-essential items (like makeup, etc) but essential items like food is a different story.

GregorGizeh ,

In my opinion it depends more on whom you are stealing from than what. Food is okay, anything else not absolutely required for immediate survival isn’t is a somewhat cruel and arbitrary position.

Even a dirt poor person has more needs than just food sometimes, to stick with your example even a dirt poor woman or girl may want to feel pretty for a moment, and I feel that’s nothing bad either. Granted this is a slippery slope to outright lawlessness, but there certainly is a lot of room for valid needs that are less immediate than nourishment and shelter, but still important to people feeling human at all. Counts twice for people already in the extremely dehumanizing position of being poor.

spicytuna62 ,
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My policy has become: "If you see someone shoplifting, no you didn't." All businesses write a little bit of theft loss into their budgets. I don't care what shoplifters take. It's not my concern. Let the egg heads in accounting and the beef sticks in loss prevention figure it out. That's what they're paid to do. Not you.

AmberPrince ,
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Mines a bit different, but similar. "If you see someone shoplifting, no you didn't" only applies to chain stores. Walmart? Fuck 'em. Target? Get all you can. Local boutique store downtown? The fuck is wrong with you, go steal from a corporation that deserves it.

can ,

She may need it for an interview to improve her prospects too. As long as it's from a big place like Walmart I see no harm in someone desperate doing it to improve their situation.

The Walton family will be fine.

electric_nan ,

The world is burning down around us, and the only people with the power to make an actual difference are throwing gas on the fire. Why the fuck should I even notice somebody shoplifting? Save your disrespect for the real criminals of society.

Patches ,

Reminder Wage Theft has by far the greatest total value compared to all other kinds of theft

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