China to open drone production plant in Russia ( uawire.org )

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Initially, the company will produce the Jtilep JT40 UAV, designed for agricultural use such as spraying fertilizers over crops. However, media reports highlight that the drones can also be deployed for surveillance of various facilities and patrol duties. Moreover, the Jtilep JT40 can carry payloads of up to 60 kg. The intended selling price for the drones is 2.9 million rubles ($31,624).

Preliminary reports suggest the facility will produce 20 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) per month, reports the Russian news outlets CNews.

Audacious ,

When china starts outsourcing to russia...

Railing5132 ,

"Agricultural sprayers" that are just so capable of spraying chemical agents, huh?

muntedcrocodile ,

We need to fuck up china

Woozythebear ,

You can't even fuck up Russia

muntedcrocodile ,

Ohh we need to continue to do that just we need to ensure they can't have their friends unfuck them so we need to fuck their friends as well.

cybersin ,

How to start a hot war 101.

Woozythebear ,

Says the pussy sitting behind his computer. Go enlist if you're so hungry for war.

muntedcrocodile ,

If someone decides to invade my country a probably will and China is most likely to be the one who does

Woozythebear ,

Keep eating up that propaganda

cybersin ,

Yeah, because starting fights with nuclear powers is good policy.

muntedcrocodile ,

So having a nuke makes u immune to any and all repercussions. What a great message to send to the terrorists of the world

cybersin ,

Nukes are leverage and force diplomatic negotiation.

Yes, antagonizing a major nuclear power is bad. If you don't understand that, I don't know what to tell you. Some people don't want MAD.

muntedcrocodile ,

Exactly we have mad. That ensures China won't nuke us just as much as it ensure don't nuke them. Mad is a mathematical concept that makes nukes NEVER a viable solution it ensures the calculus of battle never advantages their use.

Nukes pose little to no diplomatic leverage between 2 nuclear powers except maybe preventing an invasion. Grow up stop falling for the nuclear sabre scare tactics.

cybersin ,

You really want to test that, given the consequences of being incorrect?

There is always the risk of nuclear escalation in a conventional war. The US understood this during the Cuban Missile Crisis. There is a reason the US did not destroy the Soviet Union's ships as they headed to Cuba.

muntedcrocodile ,

U fucking imbecile the Cuban missile crises was calculated retaliation for america moving nukes within similar range to the USSR. The USSR could have launched nukes instead they chose to ship nukes half way across the fucking globe to send a point then the leaders had a phone call and decided to both withdraw.

cybersin ,

Ok.

So you do recognise nukes provide diplomatic leverage in other situations, in addition to preventing invasion.

I'm so glad we agree that phone calls are more proven strategy to avoid nuclear conflict than "fucking them up".

muntedcrocodile ,

U where this close to getting the point. America tried to use nuked as leverage USSR relocated nukes negating said leverage net impact of nukes on leverage equals 0.

I'm not sure how advocating for fucking them up while having a convo in the context of sanctions is a nuclear threat. But keep pushing you appeasement propaganda worked great with Germany.

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

The Chinese version of the baba yaga.. larger agricultural drone that is easily switched to deploy larger payloads. Under the guise of civilian tech the drones will be deployed to the front en masse.

rayyy ,

Sounds like China would rather have Russia as a major trading partner rather than Europe and the US.

WhatAmLemmy ,

If morality and ethics were more important than money we wouldn't have allowed the offshoring of most of the world's manufacturing to China.

Woozythebear ,

Hmm I wonder why...

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

And I still have people trying to tell me that both these countries are just misunderstood and sabotaged by "tHe WeSt" and are not at all dictatorships in a poor disguise who would rather sacrifice half their population than change tactics because that would admit being wrong...

Sure they are. And if you can show me on your ID where it says you're older than 12, I'll actually bother responding to the argument as if it's legitimate.

cybersin ,

I don't know, COVID proved that China is very much against sacrificing half their population. It cannot be argued that they had one of the strongest responses.

partial_accumen ,

I was thinking about your comment regarding maintaining population in both of these countries. Looking up the fertility rate for each it surpised me that Russia's (while really bad) is better than China's (which is really REALLY bad).

2021 numbers (quickest source I got both countries)

For reference, for a country to just maintain their current population the fertility rate must be 2.1 (meaning, every mother/father pair needs to give birth to 2.1 children overall). The other way a country can maintain (or even increase) their population is through immigration. The USA and Canada use this method fairly successfully even with both having native fertility rates below 2.1 .

Buffalox , (edited )

This is very unfortunate, sounds a bit like China is testing boundaries. They will claim this is a civilian and not a military project, but it's very obviously for military use.
This needs to be responded to with sanctions, so China will have to decide if they want cooperation with the West or with Russia, they can't have both.
A perfect place to start for Europe would be taxing Chinese cars, that's something China really want's to avoid, since they've spend a lot of efforts lately to enter the European car market.

maculata ,

Indeed.
Tax the fuck outta them.

BeMoreCareful ,

I don't know that the west could really sanction or tax China. It'd take a lot of time and money to start manufacturing again.

At least in the states I couldn't really see it as feasible. It's trade routes and infrastructure to start with.

We are pretty dependent. They don't even really buy our weapons. I don't know that we have enough to bargain with.

No political entity could withstand the backlash of no more cheap Chinese manufacturing.

Buffalox ,

I don’t know that the west could really sanction or tax China. It’d take a lot of time and money to start manufacturing again.

We are perfectly capable of making our own cars, which is the example I use. this is already taxed in USA, but not Europe.

At least in the states I couldn’t really see it as feasible. It’s trade routes and infrastructure to start with.

It's absolutely feasible except for competition from China, but it doesn't have to be made in EU or USA, it can also be made in India, and India is much more likely as a democracy to swing our way in international matters too. They haven't forgotten colonial times, which is why any kind of pressure makes them shy away, so it has to be carrot only with India.

At least in the states I couldn’t really see it as feasible. It’s trade routes and infrastructure to start with.

Of course we can USA included, we don't have to do it all at once, a 25% Tax will make some things more expensive, but by far the most goods would have competitive western alternatives. Cars are relatively new import, and we (EU) could practically shut that down completely and only hurt China. USA has done that already, has that created any problems in USA?

Edit PS:
Many multinational companies are already leaving China for production in other countries, like India but also back to western production. So it's absolutely possible to avoid China.

aniki ,

more likely as a democracy to swing our way in international matters to

Mate, do you know anything about Modi??

Hootz ,

He's a peacock

cybersin ,

The factory doesn't even exist yet. You are advocating hostile action before they have done anything actually objectionable.

As of right now, It is pure speculation that the facility will be completed, and the produced drones would be used militarily and not for civilian use.

Not saying it won't happen, but jumping the gun is simply foolish and aggressive.

Buffalox , (edited )

You are advocating hostile action

What I wrote is that we need to respond if China helps Russia, but obviously not if they don't do it. They may be testing us, and if they are we need to react so there is no doubt where we stand.

Mikufan ,
@Mikufan@ani.social avatar

Sounds like a target.

bradorsomething ,

It’s china tech so more like a walmart.

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