TIL the term Redneck likely originated from the sunburned red neck of those working in fields. ( en.wikipedia.org )

The term originally characterized farmers that had a red neck, caused by sunburn from long hours working in the fields. A citation from 1893 provides a definition as "poorer inhabitants of the rural districts ... men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin stained red and burnt by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks".[12] Hats were usually worn and they protected that wearer's head from the sun, but also provided psychological protection by shading the face from close scrutiny.[13] The back of the neck however was more exposed to the sun and allowed closer scrutiny about the person's background in the same way callused working hands could not be easily covered.

By 1900, "rednecks" was in common use to designate the political factions inside the Democratic Party comprising poor white farmers in the South.[14] The same group was also often called the "wool hat boys" (for they opposed the rich men, who wore expensive silk hats). A newspaper notice in Mississippi in August 1891 called on rednecks to rally at the polls at the upcoming primary election:[15]

Greg ,
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That doesn't make sense, you get sun burn like that if you go from no sun exposure to lots of sun exposure. People working in the fields would not have been constantly sun burned unless they were albino.

where_am_i ,

Most white people are not able to get a proper strong tan. And even when they do it compares to SPF 5, which is not nearly enough to protect you from working in the field for the entire day.

So, yeah, you'll have a tanned neck, but also it will be red very, very often.

Greg ,
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Farmers also wore hats and covered their necks. My point is that if you saw a red neck 100 years ago it would more likely belong to someone who works indoors, is groomed to expose their neck, and spent the day outside as opposed to a farmer. A farmer would know better, they're not stupid. This is just one of those explanations that sounds logical until you dig a tiny bit.

myrrh ,

...child of ulster scot farmers, here: yes, we tan a bit, but working outside leaves our necks perpetually red nonetheless, even with long collars and hats...

...it's called a farmer tan for good reason...

cbarrick ,

Tell me you've never worked on a farm without telling me that you've never worked on a farm.

The thumbnail photo is extreme, yes. But white farm workers still get sunburns.

Assman ,
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Grew up surrounded by pink farmers, can confirm

Greg ,
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Modern farming isn't really comparable to folks working the land 100+ years ago. My point is that farmers 100 years ago weren't stupid, they would have protected themselves when necessary and would have earned an impressive base tan.

folkrav ,

I don’t think it’s a particularly far fetched idea to imagine that people spending their days outside before the invention of sunscreen would develop more sunburns than the general population regardless, even if only once or twice a year on unexpectedly long or sunny days…

Greg ,
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It doesn't seem far fetched which is what makes this urban myth appealing. But this red neck theory makes loads of assumptions, like these farmers didn't know how to protect themselves from the sun, these farmers were groomed in a way to reveal their necks, etc. In reality, they would have had solid base tans, worn hats, and probably kept their neck and ears covered with hair.

Greg ,
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I am British by decent and lived on a boat for a year. First few months I was burned a few times but after a short while I was fine. Even when I was in places like the Bahamas. That was the same for all the other white folks, only the tourists were sunburned.

John_McMurray ,

Yep. Irish descent here. Burn once in the spring, it turns into a tan and then I'm fine till next spring. (Obviously I'm not the glow in the dark type)

NoIWontPickAName ,

I thought this was common knowledge

lurch ,

The forgotten wisdom of Cotton Eye Joe

ramble81 ,

Where did you come from, where did you go…

John_McMurray ,

A "cotton eye joe" is forgotten slang for a blue eyed black man, btw.

snooggums ,
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Obvious slang is obvious.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Kids out here learning the basics of life on social media.

Kids, remember the vast majority of mortgage payments are in interest alone. Also “mortgage” means “death contract”.
And beer before liquor, never been sicker.

Lost_My_Mind ,

"Kids out here learning the basics of life on social media."

Well, they gotta learn SOMEWHERE! We certainly have dismantled public education to be less of a school and more of a free daycare.

teft ,
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I don’t think the etymology of redneck is part of any school curriculum. OP is just one of today’s 10,000.

homesweethomeMrL ,

blows party noisemaker

thedirtyknapkin ,

idk, i learned that shit on the playground. does that count as curriculum?

umbrella , (edited )
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i think the bigger thing here is how broke teens and young adults don't have many places else to hang out and do this in person.

Spiralvortexisalie ,

Yeah, I feel most people my age remember things like $1 or less beers and cheap bar food like 25 cent chicken wings? And just generally being able to hang out with couch change, like look we pooled $10 we can go out. The youth now have $12 cocktails and $7 french fries at the sketchy af “dive bar”, $20 drinks and $20 entrees if they dare step into a real place or heaven forbid an applebees.

StitchIsABitch ,

Well, it's also interesting for non native speakers who never thought about it, or just didn't make the connection. I always assumed that was the reason for the term, but it's nice to have confirmation.

umbrella , (edited )
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honestly its less about mixing and more about the quantity you drink. at the end alcohol is alcohol, its just that the prior consumption of it makes you more likely to get overconfident and take things too far.

anyway, its one those you have to live to learn what your limits are, so the point is moot anyway. finding the sweet spot and managing to stay there takes a bit of experience.

dezmd ,
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Liquor before beer, we're in the clear, so let's fuckin party.

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Confused_Emus ,

Right? I don’t think anyone ever even told me that was the origin, it just sort of made sense intuitively.

owsei ,
blindbunny ,

Love that one

ghost_towels ,

I have this printed out in my classroom. I teach adults at a trade school and I feel it’s especially important for all adults to know it’s ok to learn new things.

SlothMama ,

Yeah, I thought everyone kinda intuitively understood this because redneck and farmer used to be synonymous.

Leate_Wonceslace ,
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I live in a part of America where it's repeated constantly to school kids. Also, that's not actually the origin; the red necks were militant unionists who fought for collective bargaining rights in the Coal Wars, the part of American history that never gets taught.

Confused_Emus ,

Other sources were already posted in the comments showing that “redneck” referring to farmers predates its usage to refer to coal miners/communists. Definitely agree there’s a lot of stuff conveniently left out of our history books, though.

conditional_soup ,

I thought it had something to do with union membership, something about red handkerchiefs.

huginn ,

That's one of the reasons it was popularized - coal miner unions wearing red bandanas. But late 19th century usage appears to be sunburnt workers.

conditional_soup ,

Interesting. It's kind of interesting, but in the battle of Blair mountain, there's definitely some hints that there were already communist and anti-communist sentiments at work. I wonder if the red bandanas were a nod to communism.

someguy3 OP , (edited )

Wiki says:

A citation from 1893 provides a definition as "poorer inhabitants of the rural districts ... men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin stained red and burnt by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks".[12] ... By 1900, "rednecks" was in common use to designate the political factions inside the Democratic Party comprising poor white farmers in the South.[14]

Coal miners

The term "redneck" in the early 20th century was occasionally used in reference to American coal miner union members who wore red bandanas for solidarity.

Looks like sunburn predates coal miners.

conditional_soup ,

Oh, both, cool!

someguy3 OP ,

Well it's possible the coal miners choose red afterwards in solidarity with farmers.

Greg ,
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I wouldn't take that as gospel giving the single reference for that claim and the discussion for that article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Redneck

someguy3 OP , (edited )

I mean to have an actual citation from 1893 that provides a written out definition is huge. These things are around for a good bit before making their way into documentation.

Reading through the talk, many people say coal and then provide links that come far after 1893.

Greg ,
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The Wikipedia article doesn't link to a 1893 citation. It links for a single paywalled article to make that claim. This sounds like an urban legend loop that seems to make sense until examined.

blindbunny ,

This was an extension of that. Unionist coal miners didn't have red necks (because they work under ground) so they would wear red handkerchiefs to show solidarity with farm hands.

This is the history that capitalist removed from history books. That and white washing The Black Panthers, American Indian Movement and The Rainbow coalition.

John_McMurray ,

Nah, that's just a fish story a certain type likes to tell.

ogmios ,
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The entire reason it became an insult was because of wealthy urbanites disparaging the working class.

FinalRemix ,

Look how PaLe I aM! *laughs foppishly*

Crackhappy ,
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Downright ghostly, my dear.

Lost_My_Mind ,

You just reminded me of that news blooper.

"I so pale...." "you're on....." first news reporter starts the news report as if nothing happened, while the second one stiffles giggles

I swear they both give of a Pam Beasley vibe. So two Pams, and they have a Pam/Jim vibe with each other, and one is "so pale".

downpunxx ,
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the reason it remained that way is because they're fucking racists (mostly)

kbal ,
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Whatever you call the kind of bigotry your comment represents it's no better. Thank you for reminding us all that it's still around.

grue ,

Being "bigoted" against racists is infinitely better than being racist. Moral-relativist false equivalences can fuck all the way off.

kbal ,
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I am talking about being bigoted against "rednecks" who are mostly no more racist than everyone else. I grew up in redneck territory and support those who reclaim it as a label of pride.

edgemaster72 ,
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Interesting, I read that comment as referring to the wealthy urbanites as mostly racist

kbal ,
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Doesn't seem likely to me, but it's a good thought.

Texas_Hangover ,

Do they call you downpunxx because you go down on every swinging dick within half a mile?

NikkiDimes ,

Found the redneck, guys

Duamerthrax ,

You think the rich isn't? Mostly Classist, but there's quite a few Racists too.

phoneymouse ,

Did you know the invention of lawns was also a way to flaunt that you were wealthy enough to have unfarmed land?

AnUnusualRelic ,
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And to pay an army of people to take care of the stupid lawn.

azertyfun ,

Uh, they originally weren't paid. They were paid for.

scytale ,

I hate lawns so much, but there’s no other option unless you go for a townhouse/condo, which are more expensive in my area because of the great location. Why would anyone want to use and pay for extra water, then mow and trim every other week, for a patch of grass that doesn’t provide any benefit as a plant.

PlantDadManGuy ,

You ever try to play catch with a football on a "natural cactus desert landscape yard"?

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