farsinuce ,
@farsinuce@feddit.dk avatar

To whoever mentioned Librewolf previously as a better alternative to FireFox: Thank you.

LodeMike ,

Reminder that this graph does not start at zero. Still a ~(EDIT: 50)% increase.

FreakinSteve ,

I dont know wtf this is about; I have NEVER had a problem switching default browsers in ANY environment.

poopkins ,

3,000 people clicked a button out of curiosity or by mistake. If this is statistically relevant for their install base, there really is nobody using Brave. I have as many users randomly come and go into my game on a daily basis.

skeezix ,

Maybe Europeans like crypto scamware

account_93 ,

There is zero reason to switch browsers on iOS, They all run the same engine.
Safari also has extensions (which I believe 3rd party browsers can't use).

AMDIsOurLord ,

Brave is garbage. It's a cryptoscam adscam browser based on Chrome. For the love of god, use Firefox (or Vivaldi if you absolutely need chromium)

Clandestine ,

I can't say I disagree, I've long abandoned it on my PC.

But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone, so I'm still using it on my phone.

Samueru ,

But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone

It is the same on android, it even lets me watch youtube vids without ads and in the background.

aido ,
@aido@lemmy.world avatar

On Android you can use Firefox + uBlock Origin now

Samueru ,

Las time I could not watch youtube vids in the background in firefox.

I also had trouble getting files that download multiple files at once to work on firefox.

elwy ,

At least on android Firefox has Google tracking built into the app among much other tracking/ads. If you don't like Brave you may want to consider a Firefox fork. On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.

Edit: I forgot criticizing Firefox is wrongthink on the fediverse and will get you donwnvoted no matter what. Even if it's in the context of advising people to switch FROM Brave TO a Firefox fork on Android.

fushuan ,

I'm not sure if fennec has it, it's the core Firefox android build that is not published to the store.

elwy ,

Fennec doesn't have any of it (Google Analytics, Pocket, Mozilla Tracking), which is why it's my choice of mobile browser. It's on FDroid

Syrc ,

On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.

Safari + AdGuard gave me no issues so far.

cmbabul ,

Safari ain’t perfect but it’s leagues better than brave

13 ,
@13@kbin.run avatar

@AMDIsOurLord @FatCat
Brave may have its flaws but at least it has an offline Dino game, what does Firefox have?

ultra ,

an offline breakout game

Goodtoknow ,
@Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca avatar

Brave on iOS is one of the more legitimate ways of getting an ad blocker

shasta ,

Firefox has adblockers on mobile

fushuan ,

Firefos add-ons don't work on iOS, I literally just googled it to ensure I was informed before writing what you wrote.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-ons-firefox-ios#:~:text=Add%2Dons%20for%20the%20desktop,%2C%20Mac%2C%20Windows%20and%20Linux

shasta ,

I see. Another reaffirmation in my choice to not use iphone.

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I have an android from 2018, it still works great and I can run adblock on firefox, eat shit apple!

Hermokuolio ,

whats wrong with chromium?

RGB3x3 ,

It allows Google to continue controlling the Internet.

Samueru ,

Brave is great, has configurable keybinds, nice default adblock block list, vertical tabs, syncing sessions without email, etc.

And on android it can play youtube vids on the background.

The crypto ads just get disabled on the new tab page, you don't even have to go to the settings lol. And vivaldi is partially closed source btw.

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

There are crypto ads involved in the product though? Fuck that, even if it was default off

Samueru ,

Brave is an interesting case, they found a way to make money that doesn't involve tracking their users, making deals with google or be closed source lol

If you hate that fine, I definitely prefer that than the other alternatives lol.

OozingPositron ,
@OozingPositron@feddit.cl avatar

>Cryptoscam

I turned it off

>Adscam

I turned them off

>Based on chrome

Chromium

>use Firefox

No.

AMDIsOurLord ,

Cope and Seethe

hedgehog ,

Are you saying you don’t like Firefox because they don’t like propaganda?

Fridgeratr ,

No.

*Links article about one of the best takes ever made by an online company

Wild

fne8w2ah ,

Still wouldn't touch Brave Browser due to their past crypto shenanigans.

porkchop ,

Please forgive my ignorance. Can’t you shut that shit off? Does shenanigans still apply?

skeezix ,

They apply after you shut them off

Pantherina ,

That graph looks exaggerated but this is over a few days which is crazy

ArtVandelay ,
@ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

It is misleading. In a reputable graph, your y axis would start at zero

Pantherina ,

No the axis shows a detailed increase with clearly stated numbers. This is just the first impression.

We are not talking about Apple graph madness

apple bullshit

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

For god sakes don’t use Brave. Brave has been caught doing shady shit in the past, and the CEO is a piece of shit on top of that.

Use Firefox with privacy addons.

cryptix ,

But in iOS , addons (ublock origin) are not available at least outside EU, so brave is the better choice as it got brave shield . everywhere else I use Firefox.

cmbabul ,

This isn’t true, Safari has that exact extension

cryptix ,

Explain please , I can't figure out how to use ublock origin in iPad

cmbabul ,

I’m going to do my best to give this answer when I’m less drunk tomorrow

cmbabul ,

So you’re gonna want do a space+command and type extensions, that should open the App Store to where you want to be, unlock is one of the top extensions.

explore_broaden ,

That’s on macOS, not iOS.

cmbabul ,

It’s on iPadOS too

markon ,

There is one issues though... Firefox is extremely slow and clunky. I hate to say it, but on mobile it is hard to use all the time for me. On desktop I'm Firefox 95% of the time but some sites don't work very well with the much slower JavaScript engine. This isn't to defend Brave or any chromium browser but we gotta get Firefox up to speed.

the16bitgamer ,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

This is on iOS. There is no Firefox (geko) or Chromium, there is only skins of Safari so your point is moot. For now.

RedSeries ,

I feel like Firefox has made some really great strides on the performance front. Especially considering how bloated chrome has gotten as a comparison. But... Yeah that's valid. I love Firefox like 99% of the time but sometimes I'm almost forced to swap to Chrome to get a site to work correctly or reliably.

markon ,

Site devs need to see the threat from browser engine monopolies too. Valve literally started pouring resources into Linux gaming just because Microsoft looked like they were trying to dominate game stores on Windows. Chromium actually dominates the web. I guess at least base chromium is open source. Still though, one of those markets is way bigger than the other and it definitely isn't Linux gaming. (God I love Proton/WINE and how far we've come!)

ahriboy ,
@ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Vivaldi and Firefox are better choices.

hannes3120 ,

Vivaldi is the best!

Currently trying out Floorp as a Firefox fork for the possibility that Google's disabling of adblockers in the manifest will make it impossible to use chromium browsers which is kind of good, too

But Vivaldi rules as long as chromium is an option!

madis ,

Floorp looks nice and customizable, but in terms of updates it doesn't seem very sustainable yet.

hannes3120 ,

I get updates every other week

but I think it's in a weird spot with not having regular English patchnotes - and afaik they also use an older rendering-engine

SeaJ ,
turkishdelight ,

Wasn't the Brave CEO formerly the Mozilla CEO, back when Mozilla was doing a good job?

jol ,

Yes, until he was ousted for being trash as a person.

turkishdelight ,

and Mozilla has been doing poorly since.

TheGrandNagus ,

Mozilla was doing poorly when he was CEO as well. Google has been doing everything they can to force Chrome.

He was CEO for 11 days and in that time all he did was cause a bunch of websites to show a banner requesting that users install a different browser in order to not support a homophobe.

There was also a boatload of articles about his homophobia that brought Mozilla into disrepute.

turkishdelight ,

The problem is appointing Mozilla leadership based on ideological purity rather than technical merit.

TheGrandNagus ,

Firstly, who says that's happening?

And secondly, this isn't entirely about purity - even if you personally (and I'm not saying this is your view, btw) don't give the slightest fuck about gay people and you're fine with them having fewer rights/fine with others actively trying to strip their rights away - others aren't, and it's harmful to the business.

Eich was CEO for 11 days and achieved nothing other than a Firefox boycott, dozens of negative Firefox headlines, and Firefox being known as the homophobic browser.

Even from a cold-hearted "fuck human rights, I care only about market share" POV, Eich was still an awful CEO decision.

jol ,

Would you hire a bigot to run your company so long as the numbers go up? Fuck that mentality.

Halcyon ,
@Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Brave is evil.

pHr34kY ,

That graph is trash. The baseline needs to be at zero.

Ross_audio ,

No it doesn't.

It's meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine. It's not a scientific paper.

It's a 32-34% increase looking at the graph. That's significant enough to shout about.

Imagine any change you could make surprising competition by 25% in any market. That's huge.

SorteKanin ,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine

Define "perfectly fine". It is clearly exaggerating the change. At a glance it looks more like a 5 times increase, not a 30% increase.

agelord ,

Could you please clarify why the baseline needs to be at 0? I'm genuinely curious.

pHr34kY ,
just_change_it ,

I mean sure I guess... but brave as a browser is atrocious. I don't trust their bullshit at all.

After all who doesn't want a crypto wallet in their browser? that's the safest place for it right?

excitingburp ,

And once again, I am seriously questioning Apple's privacy claims. Why else would Apple build such a moat around Safari?

utopiah ,

Because they can limit it and thus make app more attractive and keep a 30% cut?

BentiGorlich ,
@BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de avatar

Brave would definitely not be my choice 😂

state_electrician ,

That is fine, as long as people have a choice.

OrangeCorvus ,
@OrangeCorvus@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah but Brave? Why not Firefox or Vivaldi.

Aatube ,
@Aatube@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Because it's listed as the first item on the browser choice screen for some reason, probably

FatCat OP ,
@FatCat@lemmy.world avatar
Norgur ,
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

Forgive them. They aren't used to choosing their browser yet.

akilou ,

They're Apple users. They aren't used to making any decisions when it comes to how their phones work

Nurgle ,

I’d defend myself, but I work in digital marketing so I’m not going to dissuade anyone from using AdWords.. I mean Android.

BearOfaTime ,

Funny, I see far more ads on iOS than I do Android

KoalaUnknown ,

Where?

akilou ,

Don't tell them about all the different ad blockers we can use!

kameecoding ,

We don't have to, cuz they work 😉

akilou ,

They work the way Apple wants them to

kameecoding ,

They also work how I want them to, well instead of having to fight my own phone, it just works, go figure

rambaroo ,

Oh give me a break with this nonsense. Android has an 80% global market share, your average dipshit uses it just fine. It also "just works" and very frequently works better than iOS.

Safari is a shit tier browser when it comes to web standards and performance. It's hilarious how iOS users try so hard to justify blowing $1000 on a phone when an Android 1/2 of the price does exactly the same thing and is just as easy to use. Why can't you just enjoy your apple garbage without having this weird superiority complex?

kameecoding ,

Uff, projecting a bit aren't we? I didn't start the flame war, the other guy started by shitting on iphone users.

And yes, android phones do the 80% of Iphones for less money, but you know what? Those last 20% I do care about.

Just something as simple as switching my wireless earbuds between my computer and phone seamlessly, compare the experience between android + windows/linux and the experience with Iphone + macbook with airpods.

Small shit like that " just working" makes a huge difference in UX and thats what I care about.

Not sure how Safari being garbage is relevant, so is chrome, I use firefox, so, whatever?

I have has wireless bluetooth earbuds since like 2018, all of them had the issue that if I put my phone in certain pockets they would cut out, etc.

Even my airpods had that issue with my latest OnePlus phone, guess what, never happened once with Iphone, it just works, I don't have to think about which pocket I should be putting my phone into.

The most annoying thing about the Iphone is the keyboard, but I am getting used to it, tried swiftkey, but just as much of a laggy poece of shit as it is on android

akilou ,

Sounds more like Stockholm Syndrome

hOrni ,

Vivaldi is my go to browser. Brave does a better job with blocking ads. I'm switching to Brave whenever I need to stream something on a site loaded with ads, or when YouTube manages to detect my Adblock for a few days.

Appoxo ,

Not like uBlock Origin is a thing?
Can it really get better than that and consent-o-matic?

SeaJ ,

Well the Brave Twitter account is likely a bit biased toward the Brave browser. 🙂

I'm sure the others were impacted too.

Edit: Firefox installs jumped 50%.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/13/24100066/firefox-saw-an-increase-in-users-following-apples-default-browser-changes-in-the-eu

progettarsi ,

firefox sucks for most people and vivaldi it's too complicated to configure + it looks like pure bloat

max ,

Why does it suck though? Works fine for me. Granted, I’m a software engineer, but even looking through my “end user glasses”, I don’t see anything wrong with it.

WarlordSdocy ,

I wouldn't say Firefox sucks but there are definitely some things that made me use Edge occasionally back when I used Firefox as my main browser. It was mainly stuff like a webpage that doesn't support Firefox and extensions not having a Firefox version. Which sure aren't problems with FireFox, it's more a problem of it not having enough adoption, but to an end user if the thing they wanna use doesn't work in FireFox but works in Chrome then that's FireFox's fault.

latetolemmy ,

Granted, I’m a software engineer,

Lmao love how you inserted "software engineer" there like that supposed to mean something.

max ,

In this context, maybe it kinda does. We tend to be techies, so a bit more accustomed to shitty UI/UX than most users.

RmDebArc_5 ,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

Vivaldi is extremely slow on IOS and 2gb+ big. Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock. Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.

abhibeckert ,

Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.

Um, Safari is so privacy friendly that Google regularly asks me if I'm human. For example it has "private relay" which is similar to TOR* so trackers don't even know your IP address — combine that with blocking third party cookies (and even some first party cookies) by default and providing false data to fight fingerprinting even if you don't block trackers entirely - and blocking them entirely is as simple as installing an extension. Private Relay also adds a layer of encryption on top of DNS queries and otherwise unencrypted http traffic.... so your ISP/Cellular provider/Work/School/abusive husband/etc can't track you

99.99% of the Safari's code is FOSS — dual licensed under LGPL and BSD.

It's not the browser I use - pretty lacking in the feature department, but it's definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I've never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.

(* if anything, it's better than TOR... with that service there's a risk your entry/exit nodes are tracking you. With Private Relay it's always one of Apple's servers for the entry node and a reputable cloud company like Akamai for the exit node. Both would have to be compromised in order to identify you... maybe a nation state can do that, but a big data tracking company definitely can't)

turkalino ,
@turkalino@lemmy.yachts avatar

Because it blocks ads out of the box. I know its new tab screen causes a lot of y’all’s buttholes to clench because it mentions cryptocurrency, but there are harder things to ignore

Gerudo ,

Careful, if you try to advocate or defend Brave on Lemmy, you're stepping on a minefield.

refurbishedrefurbisher ,

Vivaldi is a proprietary rebranding of Chromium. Can't say I'd recommend it over (or in addition to) Firefox.

We need less forks of Chromium. Any one company (Google in this case) having total control over browser engines is dangerous, and is a big reason why the whole Apple/Safari/Webkit situation is such a big deal to begin with.

Technus ,

Remember kids, if it's Chromium based, it's still part of the problem. The Chromium project only exists to provide the illusion of choice. Don't let Google have the power to dictate web standards at will.

Scrollone ,

The worrisome thing is that there's no alternative other than Firefox, or Safari on Apple platforms. Every single other browser is Chromium.

We must defend Firefox at all costs, it's the last glimmer of freedom.

topinambour_rex ,
@topinambour_rex@lemmy.world avatar

Firefox +50% in Germany, +30% in France

latetolemmy ,

Cause Firefox is trash and Mozilla a shell of their former selves?

Also it's so liberating to speak your mind without caring what some scrub with his sweaty fingers on the downvote button thinks

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