RetroGaming

Bronzie , in Have video games become expensive now?

I don’t really think so.

If you adjust for inflation, historically, it’s very cheap.
If you compare it to movie tickets, which in essence is 2-3 hours of entertainment for $25, it’s the same story.
Some games can give you hundreds of hours for close to the same price.

This excludes games with monthly fees or predatory in-game systems.

bobs_monkey ,

AAA titles have been $60 since the 90s iirc. The difference now, though, is the addition of paid DLC, micro transactions, etc that historically didn't exist, so I'd say it's a little bit of a toss up.

Peffse ,

I always saw the higher $60 games were cartridge-based games, while the CD-ROM equivalent was cheaper. When everybody switched away from cartridges it dropped back down to $50 being the norm until around 2005-2006.

bobs_monkey ,

Really? I could swear that the top PS1 games were around $60. Granted this was about 30 years ago when I was a kid, so I could easily be mistaken, I just remember my parents bitching about them being expensive lol

TheRealLinga ,

Shout out to my millennial homie!

Peffse ,
bobs_monkey ,

I stand corrected, thanks for the nostalgia

otp ,

I think "around $60" is still accurate. They're above $50, and they still say that's the price "*after coupon".

Blackmist ,

In fairness that looks quite late on in the lifecycle of PS1.

I remember games coming down in price later on, like they were around £45 and came down to about £30 for new ones.

bobs_monkey ,

I remember the greatest hits (green sidebar label) ones being about $25-30

Blackmist ,

Yeah, they were called Platinum over here. £20 each. Ideal for a younger me, who could never justify full price games and frankly wanted to play the older ones first anyway.

waybackguy ,
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Yeah I remember Donkey Kong Country cost like $60 back in 1994 when it first released. That's like $100 today adjusted for inflation. Nowadays DLC, the cloud, hardware and the like adds to it, although hardware has always been pricey to an extent.

helloharu ,
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This is the comparison I end up making. Is it more up front? Yes, but will I get more hours out of it? Yes. Can I pick it up again without any additional cost? Yes. Can I be a goblin and not leave the comfort of my own house? Yes.

smeg ,

$25

You mean $2.50, right? That can't be how much you pay for cinema tickets!?

Bronzie ,

Our currency has taken a bit of a hit since covid, so I guess it's more like $20 today.
210 NOK when I checked my local price for Dune 2 just now.

Add in some snacks and we're way over $30, so hopefully my point still stands.

smeg ,

That's mad, I can't remember the last time I paid more than £5 to see a film

waybackguy , in Whatever Happened to SimCity?
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Two words, nuclear meltdown. Seriously though, city building games do still exist, although often the gameplay is part of a wider genre like 4X, kinda like stealth mechanics in action adventure games.

DAMunzy , in My most memorable NES games

I'd vote Dragon Quest III!

waybackguy ,
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Dragon Quest for sure! Short but sweet. The sequels are longer. The final boss on Dragon Quest 5 was tough. Super Famicom great 90's game.

waybackguy , in I miss the trend of games insulting you for quitting
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Max Payne "I was too tired to go on." or "I was afraid to go on."

Game over screens too like Arkham City with the villain mocking Batman. System Shock with the hopeless death animation. Sometimes the deaths can get elaborate and repetitive though like some horror games.

Krudler , in I miss the trend of games insulting you for quitting

Not quite on topic but I miss one thing from Llamatron. When you paused it showed a small icon of a toilet or a cigarette.

penquin , in Playing GameCube classics, but in 4K on a Mac with PlayStation controllers, just as Nintendo intended.
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I have a 2TB ssd on my PC that is almost full with all kinds of retro games. All the way up to the PS3. It's crazy how good these games look on my 4k monitor compared to those tube TV's I played those games on back in the day. Lol

LazaroFilm OP ,
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It’s amazing! GameCube with Hd textures looks like next gen I love it!

penquin ,
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And old games are actually a lot more fun than a lot of the new ones. I haven't played a new title for a long time. Still going through my retro collection. 😁

LazaroFilm OP ,
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The only thing is some old gave have very wonky camera movements and controls especially for first person like 007. Some have custom controls hacks too.

penquin ,
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Oh man, 007 is the shit

The_Picard_Maneuver , in Playing GameCube classics, but in 4K on a Mac with PlayStation controllers, just as Nintendo intended.
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This is top tier parenting

tenextrathrills ,

I don’t agree. Graphics on older consoles was designed to look good on CRT displays and can look really bad on newer ones. At best this is negligence.

model_tar_gz ,

Most emulators have video rendering filters for this kind of concern; they have for a long time. SNES9X from more than a decade ago already implemented.

LazaroFilm OP ,
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This is GameCube on Dolphin which re renders the whole game is 4K. No pixels visible.

ColeSloth ,

Your MacBook display isn't 4k, buddy.

vic_rattlehead ,

Aspect ratio is off (3024x1964 MBP vs 3840x2160 UHD) but it's not exactly a low resolution display.

DdCno1 ,

SNES9X from more than a decade ago

This emulator came out 26 years ago and IIRC, it had filters by the very early 2000s at the latest.

accideath ,

That is indeed more than a decade ago

LazaroFilm OP ,
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This is running Dolphin which can render 3D graphics at higher resolution. Then you can apply high res gesture packs. It ends up turning the game into a next gen game. That only really works with 3D games. snes and other 8-16 bit consoles still benefit from a CRT.

tenextrathrills ,

honestly I’m just glad you brought gaming to the Mac

LazaroFilm OP ,
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Ha!

otp ,

I'm surprised to see this so downvoted in this community. Maybe people missed the sarcasm in that last bit, lol

FlyingSquid ,
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Considering some of the absolutely braindead honest takes on the Internet, it's hard to tell if it's sarcasm.

Dudewitbow ,

you are aware that the gamecube was one of the consoles with digital output right?

unlike its sucessor wii which only used analog output, the gamecube was capable of outputting to modern tvs due to having the digital output.

tenextrathrills ,

Yeah, I remember the GameCube digital output sucking and going back to using the composite av cable, hence the post.

Get out of here with the “are you aware” poindexter bs

Dudewitbow ,

which doesnt apply to all games on said device. an example is that viewers vastly prefer the cleaner footage that comes off of streams generated by dolphin using slippi over wathing the native crt footage. unlike a single individual (yourself) generalizong the preference, this is a real life scenario with thousands of viewers on the same content, many of which is also very used to the crt as many are also players.

coming from a person who lugged a crt just for melee in college for years.

ptz , in Played and beat A Link to the Past for the first time!
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If you liked it and have access to a 3DS, you should play "A Link Between Worlds".

It uses a very similar overworld / "dark" world but a different story/time period. It's not quite a remake, has some cool mechanics, and is a spiritual successor. Definitely recommend it if you like LttP.

TORFdot0 OP ,

I need to get a new battery and backplate as my 3DS battery has bloated but I definitely will be playing a Link Between Worlds soon. Every retrospective I’ve watched since beating A Link to the Past recommends it as well.

Dabundis ,

Link between worlds Is easily my favorite zelda game. The new mechanics make it a joy to re-explore a familiar world

Daxtron2 ,

+1 for LbW. Great game and the 3d feature is actually well used. Now I need to find my 3ds and mod it to replay the game lol

littlecolt ,
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I played it on a 2DS. Now I'm curious to play it in 3D.

Daxtron2 ,

It's not like other games where it's gimmicky. It just adds a cool layer of immersion to an otherwise great 2d zelda

tiredofsametab ,

and is a spiritual successor.

It's actually the sequel. ALTTP is called "Triforce of the Gods" in Japanese, and ALBW is "Triforce of the Gods II" in Japanese.

Strobelt , in Playing GameCube classics, but in 4K on a Mac with PlayStation controllers, just as Nintendo intended.

Doug Bowser wants to know your location

LazaroFilm OP ,
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I’m at Peach Beach!

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

Another castle.

chonglibloodsport , in Played and beat A Link to the Past for the first time!

Definitely check out Link’s Awakening when you get a chance! It has a really cool mechanical evolution beyond LttP: you have 2 equipment slots that you can swap independently! So instead of always having the sword + 1 item, you can have 2 different items with no sword!

TORFdot0 OP ,

That’s one thing I always like about handheld games during that era especially the Zelda and Mario Land games. They weren’t under the thumb of the original developers that created the series so they were willing to take more risks.

I read in some interviews about the development of A Link to the Past they wanted to allow the player to map any item to either Y or B but Miyamoto made them change it back to just allowing an item equipped to Y and the sword always being equipped.

Link’s Awakening is next on my list, I’ve just started it and I’m looking forward to the rest of it!

GeekFTW ,
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Don't sleep on Oracle of Ages/Seasons and Minish Cap either!

Daveyborn ,
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The top-down zeldas are golden

oKtosiTe ,
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My entire life I’ve been avoiding Zelda games thinking they just weren’t for me. But when Nintendo added Link’s Awakening DX to Nintendo Online I decided to give it a try.

It’s just a lovely game. I love the graphics, the way it holds your hand a little more than earlier games, that feeling when the puzzles “click”, everything about it. It has turned me around on Zelda games and I intend to play the Oracle games when I get a chance.

Squizzy , in Playing GameCube classics, but in 4K on a Mac with PlayStation controllers, just as Nintendo intended.

Genuine question because I like retro games, what is the point of 4k here? It's blocky pixelated Mario kart, is there mods to update textures or something?

imPastaSyndrome ,

Yeah "4k" monitor maybe but it looks worse than my old CRT

LazaroFilm OP , (edited )
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It looks absolutely stunning in 4K no pixels in sight with HD texture packs and 4K 3D renders. Now for older gen’s like SNES your CRT is a definite win.

DdCno1 ,

It just looks clean. Lowpoly games benefit from running at high resolutions to a surprising degree. The better the art, the more it benefits from being shown with as little obfuscation as possible. There are texture packs and shaders available for popular old games, but even without them, it's often worth it to ramp up the resolution, even far beyond 4K. I've played some old games at ridiculous resolutions like 5k or more, eliminating even a hint of jagged edges. You can then add a touch of retro flair through scanline and bloom shaders.

LazaroFilm OP ,
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Yea. There are Hd textures made by fans. And the 3D is generated in 4K. No pixels in sight!!!

LazaroFilm OP ,
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More info here for Mario Kart Double Dash. Including a demo video.

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  • LazaroFilm OP ,
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    All 100% true, this is with HD textures so the game looks like a next gen game.

    usrtrv , (edited )

    As others have mentioned, there are two schools of thought.

    Crisp 4K rendering, no jagged lines, higher details added in textures, etc

    Or emulating the look of a CRT by using high density displays to create the same look.

    https://youtu.be/-B5ebucZ69s?si=0lDLAWdMlN77VQen goes into it a bit. This shows off a device for actual consoles. But the same principal applies when doing it in software for emulators.

    LazaroFilm OP ,
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    I’m a bit in both worlds. I think that the split is at HD games. Up to SNES a CRT really makes things look as they were designed, but once you reach 3D games the low rez really feels like a limitation game designers had to deal with.

    Anamana ,

    If you play these old games in fullhd etc, it actually feels like the game you remember. If you play it in original resolution it's nothing like that.

    LazaroFilm OP ,
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    Agreed. That plus the fact that SD on an HD screen looks even worse. HD texture and up scaling really breathes a new life into the games.

    x4740N ,
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    It's also because it's missing that pattern CRT screens gave to old games

    Modern LCD's don't have a pattern like CRT

    I think their is an option for a simulated CRT pattern in some emulators but I'm not familiar with it

    kautau ,

    The textures themselves remain at their original resolution. But anything that was 3d rendered in the original console (like the karts and characters in Mario kart) will now have crisp lines. Additionally many emulators will support some form of texture scaling to make the original low texture stuff look marginally better. On a system like N64 it’s a toss up on looking significantly better. But on a PS3 emulator for example, since many environments are rendered in 3d, it’s a considerable improvement

    Die4Ever , in Played and beat A Link to the Past for the first time!
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    Definitely check out Zelda Minish Cap, I think it's up there with Link to the Past

    thesilverpig ,

    I really liked a lot about the minish cap but the gacha game heart piece and the fact that you leave one of the three goddesses unhoused felt very antethitical to Zelda. Almost perfect otherwise.

    uis , in Playing GameCube classics, but in 4K on a Mac with PlayStation controllers, just as Nintendo intended.
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    E-waste

    LazaroFilm OP ,
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    why e-waste? I’m re-using things. Nothing is wasted. We are re-using controllers to play new games. The waste would be to buy each console. Instead I’m using my work computer to play. I gave my son my old computer and he’s using it now. Nothing is wasted.

    uis ,
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    Fine then

    suction , in Playing GameCube classics, but in 4K on a Mac with PlayStation controllers, just as Nintendo intended.

    Just as Nintendo nintended.

    Excrubulent ,
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    They Nintend to do what Nintendon't.

    Strobelt ,
    echo64 , in San Andreas ROM for PS2 has been taken down by Rockstar on Vimm's Lair

    takedowns are automated these days, either through full automation or paying low cost labor in places like India to just do google searches. Rockstar isn't "doing" anything here, aside from paying someone else to issue the takedowns. and the someone else doesn't know enough or care enough to apply logic that would cause all the other versions to get taken down too.

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