charlesrandall ,
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hello federation admins, is there an updated list of known servers that meta will use to federate?

#mastoadmin

shanie ,
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@charlesrandall threads.net is what we know…so far.

charlesrandall OP ,
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@shanie yeah I knew/assumed that one. I just also assume that we're going to find out that meta is using other servers to scrape/ingest :/

shanie ,
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@charlesrandall You bet. You think this juicy data out here full of images and text is just going to sit around when Meta has LLMs to enhance?

Very soon, all the complainers about “you didn’t read my terms of service!“ will realize that their terms of service is worth Jack Diddley when nobody has to agree to it to get access to your stuff.

ocdtrekkie ,
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@shanie @charlesrandall The notion that the fedi has all this "juicy" data when the fedi was designed to be relatively privacy-protecting from the get-go and Meta has literally hundreds of millions of users running their invasive software directly is... sort of silly.

charlesrandall OP ,
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@ocdtrekkie @shanie I think that's entirely beside the point. The point is that if someone can use facebook's shit to follow me on mastodon, then my being on mastodon is providing value to meta users and giving them reasons to stay there.

I'm not cool with that. People want to follow me they have to use different platforms.

ocdtrekkie ,
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@charlesrandall @shanie I look at it as providing an escape hatch. I feel like a lot of people would leave Facebook platforms but feel like they can't because someone they need to follow is there.

If people can get their must-haves from proprietary social on ethical social, they have a path to move here.

charlesrandall OP ,
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@ocdtrekkie @shanie you can look at it however you want. letting a corporation like meta have free access to my own data is not a line I'm willing to cross, and it's weird that you are invested in arguing that people should.

ocdtrekkie ,
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@charlesrandall @shanie I mean, IMHO if you want to block anything, you should block it, but I find the idea Zuck is salivating at the idea of getting access to your toots is patently silly. Federating for them is almost certainly about antitrust and DMA compliance, with a tint of "if we're the first big company here we have an advantage" probably.

shanie ,
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@ocdtrekkie @charlesrandall > "I find the idea Zuck is salivating at the idea of getting access to your toots is patently silly."

Yeah that's me, the silly one. If you're making a LLM, which Meta is, being able to push content from more sources will always give you an edge. And let's be honest, Mastodon is a growing edge.

But that's not the sole reason; Meta doesn't do anything for a sole reason. It's their job to make money off anything, multiple ways over.

BeAware ,
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@shanie @ocdtrekkie @charlesrandall i know this post is a bit old, but I have to ask, you know your instance IS federated with Threads, right?

shanie ,
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@BeAware @ocdtrekkie @charlesrandall Yep. I was merely unmotivated to bother. Guess I’ll do it now. :catnod:

BeAware ,
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@shanie @ocdtrekkie @charlesrandall just seems KINDA hypocritical to critisize others of not defederating when you haven't done it yourself...🤷‍♂️

shanie ,
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@BeAware @ocdtrekkie @charlesrandall Hypocritical is a fun word. I advocate against Meta as there are plenty of good reasons to advocate against Meta.

Meta is a cesspool of data mining bordering and sometimes breaching legality. That's a fact, and I voice it. What I do or don't do with my own information is up to me, but that doesn't invalidate others understanding that. It's not holding other people to higher standards.

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