There are many many of us Jews that don't feel that our own safety depends on the control or suppression of others. While many of the refugees who came to Palestine as pioneers after the Holocaust had intentions to live peacefully in harmony with the Palestinians*, almost every action of the Israeli government since it was founded has been to treat Palestinians just as badly as we had been treated in Europe.
The ultimate consequence of this has been to harm and dispossess several generations of Palestinians which is extremely effective at ensuring they continue to resent Israel's existence and feel that they must do anything they can by any means necessary to ensure the survival of their people. If Israel can't exist peacefully with Palestinians, what gives Jews the greater "right" to the land than they have? How can we go from being refugees with no safe place to go, to violently forcing the exact same situation upon another people just for the gall of wanting to continue to exist with their families on their own ancestral land?
Even if I was a Zionist I would think that the last 6 months were creating long term curse on the country of Israel by creating a whole new generation of Palestinians with nothing but rage for Israel and nothing to lose. You can look at even the most sanitized accounts of the assault on Gaza see absolute cruelty on the part of the IDF as well as no concern for human life or international law.
(*) For anyone interested in the politics of Israel's founding, I highly recommend I. F. Stone's book Underground to Palestine about the heroic (as he tells it) journey of Jewish refugees trying to reach Palestine in 1946. In 1978 it was republished with 2 new essays from him. One about how Zionism was hijacked by Jews with no regard for Palestinians' rights or well-being, and the other about how it has become completely impossible to have rational conversations that are critical of Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_to_Palestine
@immibis
Zionism comes in many forms, or so I've heard. The form associated with Israel is characterised by bloodlust and racism. By all reports, at least 70% of Israelis revel in the carnage.
Apartheid is a cruel mistress, which at it's heart forces the attempted dehumanization of other humans, in this case Palestinians. It is the oppressors, in this case Zionist Israelis, who actually lose their humanity by perpetrating increasingly violent actions towards children, women and their innocent families. I mourn the 14,000 women and children slaughtered with bombs by Israel. #Palestine#Guernica
@JeffreySmith@DropBear@immibis@ruby It may be smug to say the Zionists have lost their 'humanity', but the Zionists are not the least bit troubled and the Palestinians stubbornly and uncooperatavely remain dead.
@lou
As Gideon Levy points out, Israelis deeply believe that they're the chosen people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGO3eBxQX7Q&t=632s
That belief fosters an arrogance which leads them to disregard the broader reactions to their behaviour. They're not troubled, as you say, but they could be about to reap what they're sowing. We might be about to find out how the world eliminates a state that has proven too dangerous to continue in existence.
@DropBear@lou@JeffreySmith@ruby the world will not eliminate Israel. Israel could do anything and it would still receive unlimited sid. If Netanyahu was literally Adolf Hitler but for Muslims instead, he'd still get unlimited aid.
@faab64@JeffreySmith@lou@DropBear@ruby hasn't Israel admitted that being an apartheid state which kills innocent Muslim children is somehow a core value to Israel?
@immibis
Again, that is simplification of a complex problem.
Yes, and the most important issue is to either accept Palestinian state as defined in UN resolution 242 or a coalition single state with equal rights for all.
Empty slogans and shouting in the air doesn't help.
Clear and defined goals are the only way to end this madness. Which requires criminalizing any kind of hate and hateful organization including Kahanist and militants settlers.
Sadly, the world, including most of the Arab leaders are neither willing or able to demand it.