Let’s Thank the Alabama Supreme Court ( www.nytimes.com )

I never thought I’d be grateful to the Alabama Supreme Court for anything, but now I am. With its decision deeming frozen embryos to be children under state law, that all-Republican court has done the impossible. It has awakened the American public, finally, to the peril of the theocratic future toward which the country has been hurtling.

Actually stopping that means both volunteering and, if you can afford it, donating

collapse_already ,

I just want to know if the embryo is frozen for a number of years (is there a limit after which viability stops?) and then implanted, does that shorten the time before the resulting person can vote? I.e., if the embryo is frozen for fourteen years, can the resulting child vote at four?

Is letting the eggs get freezer burned past viability, murder?

silence7 OP ,

Is letting the eggs get freezer burned past viability, murder?

Yes, that's the whole point of fetal personhood laws.

I believe the Alabama legislature made some changes after this court ruling, so it may not be that way right now.

fireweed ,

And here I thought we were thanking the Alabama Supreme Court for preventing the atrocity of thousands more babies cruelly subjected to living in Alabama.

queermunist ,
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More "bad things are actually good things!" from the NYT 🙄

spider ,

The fact that religious doctrine lay at the heart of Justice Samuel Alito's majority opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization was perfectly clear, as I observed then.

And don't forget, the two most radical U.S. Supreme Court justices, Alito and Clarence Thomas, were nominated by the so-called "moderate" Bush family.

Burn_The_Right ,

It's nice to imagine conservatives becoming victims of their own oppression, but that has never stopped their oppression in the past. If history is our guide, there is no reason to believe that the frog can ever jump out of the pot, no matter how fast it boils.

Conservatism naturally progresses toward fascism. That is what it is at its core. It cannot stop on its own. It can only be stopped by external force.

Dagwood222 ,

A lot of conservative women are waking up to the idea that they [and their friends] might not be able to get the treatments they want.

Leopards, meet faces...

hperrin ,

Let’s thank the bullet that killed your father for showing us how much bullets can kill.

silence7 OP ,

That's the NYT for you

Dagwood222 ,

So, newspapers shouldn't print opinion pieces you don't agree with?

silence7 OP ,

I didn't say that at all. Just that the NYT has a tendency to put a right-wing spin on everything

Dagwood222 ,

lol! I've heard Trump scream a million times that it was a Left wing rag.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/12/media/donald-trump-new-york-times-legal-fees/index.html

silence7 OP ,

That's called working the ref.

Dagwood222 ,

They printed a list of all his lies since taking office.

Working that ref pretty damn hard, wouldn't you say?

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-times-used-full-page-to-print-all-trump-lies-since-taking-office-2017-6

silence7 OP ,

Given the frequency that you see stories in the form " something good happened, here's why that's bad for Biden" I'd say it's succeeded

Dagwood222 ,

So, you're saying their secret agenda is to report both sides of the issues?

Shocking!!!

silence7 OP ,

Not in the least; they prioritize access over truth, and tend to spin things in a fairly conservative way.

orclev ,

That's because Trump thinks any media that doesn't praise him as the smartest, richest, handsomest, and most powerful man in the world is a "Left wing rag". I'm sure now that Faux News was forced to add fact checkers to avoid another devastating lawsuit he thinks they're "liberal" and "woke" now as well.

deweydecibel , (edited )

It has awakened the American public, finally, to the peril of the theocratic future toward which the country has been hurtling

If they were still asleep after the death of Roe, why would this wake them up?

The problem is the public at large is like a kid trying to stick a penny in a light socket. You can tell them again and again and again and again that it's going to hurt, but they're not going to learn the lesson until they actually feel the shock.

Only after they experience the pain do they feel the urgency to do something. Only when "politics" stops being a feed they look at on social media and actually affects their lives in a direct and obvious way do they seek to do anything.

silence7 OP ,

Because people see other peoples' abortions as evil. People don't view IVF or contraceptives or sex for fun in the same way, even if the anti-abortion movement does.

medgremlin ,

Recommended reading: https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/

aDuckk ,

It's going to be this way until we figure out a better way to cultivate empathy at a huge scale. Between technological isolation, increasing scarcity, and the divide-and-conquer tactics of the power players in our society, we seem to be going the wrong direction fast. We'll continue to collectively stick the penny in the light socket until we are able to appreciate the experiences of other people enough to learn something from them.

ClanOfTheOcho ,

Does this mean those owing state taxes to Alabama can deduct all their frozen embryos on their taxes?

silence7 OP ,

People are trying. Not clear that it will actually work.

Also not clear if military recruiters can enlist ones that have been frozen for 18 years.

Got_Bent ,

That would be amazing. Thousands upon thousands of frozen little ice pellets in tiny parachutes being dropped over some middle east country in the name of freedom.

Bdtrngl ,

name of freedom.

You mean oil right?

SinningStromgald ,

Same thing.

Schadrach ,

Also not clear if military recruiters can enlist ones that have been frozen for 18 years.

The military doesn't just recruit 18 years olds against their will. However, if any of those are male embryos and over 18 I wonder if they can be charged will failure to sign up for Selective Service? Presumably since they are in the custody of the parents the quarter million dollar fine each would land on their heads. We may have to start enforcing that old law again...

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