dream_weasel ,

Why is some shitty author no one ever heard of who did a debate or two in 2016 being mentioned... Anywhere?

hypnoton ,

I like Marianne Williamson and would vote for her.

revelrous ,
@revelrous@sopuli.xyz avatar

Who funds this lady? This move does nothing but pull off the young liberal, doesn't-understand-consequences-yet, and gets-their-politics-from-tiktok vote.

HomerianSymphony OP ,

young liberal, doesn't-understand-consequences-yet, and gets-their-politics-from-tiktok vote

Well, the middle-aged “I get my politics from MSNBC and trust the mainstream establishment” liberals have all decided that they’re okay with supporting genocide, so I’m with Marianne and the TikTokers on this one.

Never again means never again. Fuck Biden.

HomerianSymphony OP ,

“Don’t be so stupid. When we said never again, we meant for white people.”

revelrous ,
@revelrous@sopuli.xyz avatar

The world is so profoundly unfair and fucked up and throwing more vulnerable people to the wolves doesn't fucking fix that.

This shit didn't just happen. People ceded power to the worst of humanity for decades, and wrestling it back will be messy, slow and painful and unless you are getting on a plane rn to off Netanyahu, voting is the lever of power you have.

Defy me. Show me you understand the consequences of your actions and tell me how not voting blue in November saves a single life.

I'm all ears because Biden is a rich white guy in god's fucking waiting room, you aren't going to fucking punish him by not voting blue. It is all the women that will suffer and die from a lack of reproductive justice, it is the poor zip codes that will flood unchecked with posion into the air, food, and water, it is the lgbtq kids that are going to check out alone in some dark room rather than keep fighting against the system that wants to deny them their humanity, and it is the myriad of other preventable and pernicious indignities unfettered capitalism and christian nationalism throws the door open to, that will feed upon the underclasses.

Never again is a cheap and hollow maxim when you sit back and do fuck all but bemoan that the goddamn fucking angels didn't come down and clear you a righteous path to do something.

Voting blue to help these people is an hour out of your day on a fucking Tuesday. You can knock it out while you grab some coffee on your way to meet up and plan the glorious revolution.

HomerianSymphony OP ,

tell me how not voting blue in November saves a single life

Genocide will stop when people stop supporting genocide.

If your argument is that there’s too few of us to make a difference, that doesn’t matter. The handful of Germans who dissented from the Nazis probably didn’t make a difference either. It was still the right thing to do.

it is the poor zip codes that will flood unchecked with poison into the air

And what about the hundreds of thousands of people in Gaza who are being bombed to death? And the millions more who are close to starving to death?

Sure, it sucks that Flint doesn’t have clean water, but it’s not really on the same magnitude, is it?

And I was an lgbtq kid back when it was literally illegal to be gay in my state. Again, not great, but it’s not the same as being bombed and starved.

You dare make appeals to compassion while turning a blind eye to genocide. It is absurd and obscene.

Voting blue to help these people is an hour out of your day on a fucking Tuesday.

If the Democrats want my vote, they can stop supporting genocide. It’s that simple.

revelrous ,
@revelrous@sopuli.xyz avatar

Genocide will stop when people stop supporting genocide.

No. It will only stop when the people that care can wield enough power to stop it.

Voting blue allows for inter-party dialogues and the needful progressive backroom knifings to still happen, it empowers the pro-Palestine dems to make bolder moves. There will be sweet ole down ballot consequences to not showing up blue on election day.

If your argument is that there’s too few of us to make a difference, that doesn’t matter. The handful of Germans who dissented from the Nazis probably didn’t make a difference either. It was still the right thing to do.

Read some more history. Of course it's the right thing to do. Aaron Bushnell did the right fucking thing. The right thing makes for great stories. However effective policy changes require political capital, it's an unsexy slog but how the gears actually turn. Don't like it? Run for an office and change it. But don't pretend you are moving a needle with performative morality.

Sure, it sucks that Flint doesn’t have clean water, but it’s not really on the same magnitude, is it?

And I was an lgbtq kid back when it was literally illegal to be gay in my state. Again, not great, but it’s not the same as being bombed and starved.

... so you are purposing involuntary solidarity-lite? Coolcool. Very justice. Pay attention to what SCOTUS just did. Think about what happens when Trump cripples the EPA, or when he appoints 2 30 year old christian right wing nut jobs waiting for the rapture to the court and the decades decades it will take to have a hope of restoring balance.

You dare make appeals to compassion while turning a blind eye to genocide. It is absurd and obscene.

The bad orange man is not coming with a crown of flowers and a dove in each hand. He wants to turn Gaza into glass so the crazy fundos that let him get away with crimes feel like they are closer to jesus and let him get away with more crimes. I am not turning a blind eye, I just don't have a magic fucking wand. Voting blue does not stop you from protesting, it just protects the people that would be harmed by a Trump presidency. That is compassion in a foxhole my guy. With enough of a blue wave, dems can cudgel Biden into more action.

Still haven't heard your plan to stop it.

HomerianSymphony OP ,

It will only stop when the people that care can wield enough power to stop it.

We all wield a bit of power with our vote.

And I’m sending my vote to candidates who don’t support genocide.

revelrous , (edited )
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So by empowering the guy who really likes genocide, that's how we stop genocide now.

Again. Walk me through the steps.

HomerianSymphony OP ,

You think Biden doesn't like genocide? Was he forced into supporting this genocide against his will, because the US is a helpless client state of Israel? Occam's razor, dude.

Biden loves genocide. He loves killing brown babies. Why else would he do it?

He's a old racist colonialist white supremacist who thinks brown people need to be exterminated if they don't respect their superior white masters.

revelrous ,
@revelrous@sopuli.xyz avatar

... so the way to a stop genocidal white supremacist... is too get the demonstrably more genocidal and openly white supremacist in power ...
Explain to me how that works again?

HomerianSymphony OP ,

No, the trick is to vote for neither of them.

If enough people do it, we can save Gaza and America.

revelrous ,
@revelrous@sopuli.xyz avatar

If enough people do that Gaza will be a paragraph in a history book—oh wait no, Trump wants to completely defund the department of education, so nix that.

How do you plan to win the hearts and minds of 200 million American voters?

HomerianSymphony OP ,

How do you plan to win the hearts and minds of 200 million American voters?

I’m hoping that one day they’ll realize there’s a genocide happening.

And I’ll be praying that they do.

revelrous ,
@revelrous@sopuli.xyz avatar

Ffs. Thoughts and prayers is not a plan. A voting rightwing majority knows it's genocide and likes that. It's a selling point.

Why would you gift them more control, more pieces to set the board for more atrocities home and abroad? And then preen like this was some sort of virtue?

It's so damn childish to keep pounding the table and shouting 'Genocide!' WE KNOW! We are trying! Shit is more fucked than your understanding of it. Crying 'Never Again!' and then telling me your grand plan is thoughts and goddamn prayers. Jfc.

HomerianSymphony OP ,

Thoughts and prayers is not a plan.

Well, it’s either divine intervention, Americans suddenly waking up en masse, or the entire American political establishment being deposed in a violent revolution.

Those are the options. You choose.

revelrous ,
@revelrous@sopuli.xyz avatar

Were you not just calling me absurd and obscene?

Pray. Plan your revolution. And then vote blue you fucker. By your own admonition just now it doesnt matter which party takes power, it's doom all the way down eh?

If I'm right, and with cunning and coaxing, and study and threats and patience the morality can be wrung out of Americans, well then that ballot cost you nothing and the worst was held at bay another election cycle.

HomerianSymphony OP ,

Plan your revolution.

Oh, I’m not planning a revolution. I abhor the idea of revolution. Revolutions are messy, and many innocent people get killed because nobody’s sure who to trust. (And because the victors write history, we never hear enough about the innocent victims of revolutions.)

Also, I would be no good in a violent revolution. I am old and fat. I do not know how to shoot a gun. I feel faint at the sight of blood.

As I said, I am hoping for a peaceful resolution for this country’s problems, which is why I am encouraging people to vote for non-establishment candidates and praying for divine intervention.

But I’m not blind. This country is headed for violent revolution if its politics don’t change. This gestures at everything cannot continue.

hypnoton ,

The Democrats cannot fail us.

It is only us who can fail the Democrats.

ghostdoggtv ,

Lot of people telling lies about the actual state of the Democratic primary in this thread.

paf0 ,

No, she isn't. She lost in the primary.

HomerianSymphony OP ,

She's advocating for Biden to be replaced in an open convention.

paf0 ,

I know. If anything they will nominate someone who shares Biden's views, not some crackpot who barely got any votes.

HomerianSymphony OP ,

some crackpot who barely got any votes

She got about 3% of the vote (about the same as Dean Phillips, a sitting congressman and the only other challenger to Biden).

Ensign_Crab ,

Dude, she got branded as a nutjob back in 2020. That's not going away, no matter how unfair it may be.

HomerianSymphony OP ,

If the Democrats have a better option, they have two months to find it.

So far, every other Democrat says they're supporting Biden, and Biden said last week that immigrant women are being raped by their sisters (which I expect to be the clip played in Republican ads before the election).

Ensign_Crab ,

If the Democrats have a better option, they have two months to find it.

Party leadership is uninterested in better options.

dhork ,

Democratic politicians will publically back Biden without reservation, even as some scheme behind closed doors on ways to get him to just leave already. If those people are successful, they will be just as publically backing their new nominee, and act like they always have been.

It's just politics

Ledivin ,

If the only two challengers only got 3% each, then I'm sorry, but there are no challengers.

paf0 ,

That's nothing, she only got some many because there was barely anyone else running. Again, she does not share Biden's views. No way the Democrats nominate someone who is anti-vaccine.

hypnoton ,

That's because the billionaire-owned media blacked her out. After the billionaire-owned media overcame their scare with Bernie, they learned that just not ever mentioning a candidate is the best strategy to sink a candidate.

I know about Marianne only because I watch Kyle Kulinski and The Breaking Points.

Marianne would wipe the floor with the establishment democrats if she were allowed to speak to the voters.

Oh, and the DNC never gave her a voter list that she legally purchased from the DNC. They took her money and gave her nothing.

some_guy ,

There was no primary.

RedditWanderer ,

Marianne Williamson, who ran for president in 2020 and suspended her 2024 campaign in February, has officially reentered the race

Who?

TheAlbatross ,

The psychic warrior lady

HomerianSymphony OP ,

She was widely mocked for saying "dark psychic forces", but "psychic" just means pertaining to the psyche.

She could have equally said "dark psychological forces".

HomerianSymphony OP , (edited )

My previous post was removed for being a video (mea culpa). This one is an article.

jordanlund Mod ,
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Yup, this is fine... She's still delusional, but the post is fine. :)

HomerianSymphony OP ,

She's still delusional

Maybe, like so many of us, she’s trying to do what she can and she doesn’t see any better option.

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