notanaltaccount ,

The conspiracy theorists all say Joe is supposed to step down and Gavin Newsom somehow is added to the ticket which then will win. These conspiracy theorists also say that candidates are selected in advance by the powers that be and it’s all pagentry to deceive the gullible masses. Try to look surprised when he gets replaced and they add Gavin.

Snapz ,

This whole night was so many layers of exhausting, but probably not for the reasons you think... No rational, serious person was expecting Biden to Willy Wonka front somersault into this debate? it was going to be what this was, the only true surprise was probably the volume of his voice (which they chalk up to a cold, okay fine, I guess) and actually how well he did quickly processing and responding to trump's gish gallop and unchecked stream of consciousness mistruth firehose with little help from the impotent moderators for the majority of the night.

The people in this country, in their immediate reaction to this debate, demonstrate that they just fundamentally lack the focus, empathv and frankly basic intelligence to process the substance of this or any debate. On average, we respond solely to voice pitch, tonality, body language and facial expressions, like a still developing toddler... Or a dog.

mechoman444 ,

Or a gorilla, but I think a gorilla is too much credit.

petrol_sniff_king ,

On average, we respond solely to voice pitch, tonality, body language and facial expressions, like a still developing toddler... Or a dog.

And so knowing that, the DNC should have put somebody up who appeals to those... dogs.

Like, obviously the smart decision is to vote for Biden anyway, but fuck me if they aren't making this November win, what should be a slam dunk against a fascist, the most difficult in recent history.

If Trump wins, the DNC owes us blood.

bquintb ,
@bquintb@midwest.social avatar

He seems like he's doing a-ok today. Wtf???where was this guy last night??
https://youtu.be/eWylhLOPk8c?si=E5uZIHS15XQ_TKma

Wes4Humanity ,

They forgot to give him his stims last night /s

46_and_2 ,

Jesus effing Christ, if this huge difference in energy was down just to some misfortunate cold at the time of the debate, it would be one of the most unfortunate timings. I don't know if Trump would agree to a second debate now that he's reaped some positives (or more like negatives for Biden), and also on another network that does any fact-checking. So sadly this failed debate might turn to be a pivotal point for the election.

JimSamtanko ,

Without reading this- I’m going to say…… no, it didn’t.

ZK686 ,

I find it ironic when the Left says "I don't care if Biden is senile and incoherent, I'll still vote for him!" no one cares... But, when the Right says "I don't care that Trump is being charged with all these different things, I'll still vote for him!" they're idiots... funny how that works on Lemmy and Reddit...

Lobreeze ,

One of these things is not like the other...

WhatYouNeed ,

Because one of these wants to destroy democracy and the right of many people to even exist.

But tell me again how the tangerine terror isn't going to corrupt everything....

ZK686 ,

How did Trump destroy democracy when he was president? How horrible was your life? What freedoms did you lose when Trump was President? Again, scare tactics from the Left that we've been hearing for years now... I'm old enough to remember when they said the same shit about Bush Jr...

WhatYouNeed ,

"said the same shit about Bush Jr..."

And would you trust a government run by a bush, a dick, and a colon?

btaf45 ,

I don’t care if Biden is senile and incoherent,

There is not a big overlap between what skills a candidate needs and what skills a president needs. 99% of the job of president is to make decisions. That's the job. Even if he lost his voice entirely and was in a wheel chair like FDR, he could still make excellent decisions. President Biden absolutely killed it for 2 hours at the state of the union speech. Nobody who was "senile" could have done that.

I’ll still vote for him!”

Have you not been paying attention to current events? The country is at a critical junction between democracy and neofascism. OF COURSE I'm going to vote for the continuation of democracy. Anybody who does not would be an idiot. I would vote for a literal corpse over Convicted Criminal and Sex Offender Treason Trump.

ZK686 ,

Neofascism an overrated word thrown around by the Left. That's like me saying that the Democrats are going to turn our country into socialism, when we know that's not true. We heard all these things before, how horrible the country would be if Trump got elected, the "end of democracy"...and yet, under Trump none of those things happened. Both sides use scare tactics, the Democrats are no better.

btaf45 ,

when we know that’s not true.

NO NO NO NO NO!!!

Dude both Democrats and Republicans still loyal to America are scared to death that Traitorapest Trump is going be the end of democracy.

WHY WOULD LYNNE CHENEY THROW HER CAREER AWAY IF SHE DIDN'T REALIZE TRUMP IS TRYING TO OVERTHROW DEMOCRACY??

WHY WOULD ADAM KINZINGER THROW HIS CAREER AWAY IF HE DIDN'T REALIZE TRUMP IS TRYING TO OVERTHROW DEMOCRACY??

Why did Trump's Vice President, Sec of State, 2 Attorneys General, National Security Adviser -- ALL REPUBLICANS -- warn us that Trump is a threat to democracy.

Trump ordered an attack against America on Jan 6, 2001. The previous 2 months he spent every single day trying to figure out a way to overturn the election and disenfranchise millions of Americans. ONLY A POWER MAD NEOFASCIST WOULD DO THAT. There is overwhelming evidence that Trump knew he lost on election night and Steve Bannon admitted on audio tape before the election that Trump was going to lie "and say they stole it".

Every time Loser Trump loses an election or a court case he slanders our country and attacks our core values of democracy and the rule of law.

He admitted he would be a dictator "on day one".

He promised to abuse the justice system to go after political enemies.

He threatened to "pull the license" of news media that criticize him.

He tried to blackmail Ukraine to interfere in our elections.

He cooperated fully with Putin to interfere in our elections.

That’s like me saying that the Democrats are going to turn our country into socialism, when we know that’s not true.

Because there is no evidence for that whatsoever. With Treason Trump we have overwhelming evidence of his complete contempt for our longstanding core values of democracy and the rule of law.

Trump's action's between election day and Jan 6 ABSOLUTELY DISQUALIFY HIM from holding office. All Republicans who still support Treason Trump ARE SUPPORTING THE END OF DEMOCRACY.

TRUMP KNOWS THAT IF DOESN'T OVERTHROW DEMOCRACY THEN HE IS GOING TO PRISON.

Numuruzero ,

The system leaves us with a binary choice. Even the third "option" of inaction is essentially leaving it up to fate at best, and at worst is just handing the controls over.

The room you're in is sealed, filling with water, and you can access a snorkel or a fire hydrant.

caboose2006 ,

Shoulda given him the juice!

AutistoMephisto ,
@AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

They did this to themselves. Total strategy failure, holding this debate so early in the race. Also trusting CNN's moderator to follow all the rules and fact check both candidates live.

Why do liberals fail at strategy? I suspect it's due to their tendency to spend more time thinking about how to go about things than on what things they should go about. Valuing the means at the expense of the ends, yet again.

FunnyUsername ,
@FunnyUsername@lemmy.world avatar

Wow, you're smart! You should be president! You can fix everything right?

AutistoMephisto , (edited )
@AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

This sarcasm doesn't help. But to answer your obviously facetious question, no, I can't fix everything. But what I can do, is consider that perhaps pursuing justice rather than manners might actually be "going high". And if Republicans are going to break rules, I'm certainly within my rights to bend them. We can all agree that "The ends justify the means" is a shitty moral philosophy, but you liberals tend to overcorrect to the point where thinking about the ends at all is -in some vaguely reflexive kinda way- innately immoral.

And I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but even I know there is a moral imperative to disobey the rules when following will not lead to justice.

I can also call a fascist, a fascist. Instead of simply requesting that the rules be followed, and trusting that fascist ideas will be voted against, we should do to fascists, everything that they would do and have already done to us.

Numuruzero ,

In this instance, the moderators specifically refused to be fact checkers and declared that fact checking would be left to the candidates. It was a bit of a missed opportunity that Biden didn't refute more of Trump's falsehoods.

AutistoMephisto ,
@AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

You're not wrong, but the mics being turned off worked against Biden. Because his mic was cut off during the debate, Trump had free reign to spew falsehoods like a damn fire hose, and Biden had no time to even go, "Will you shut up, man?"

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The gaslighting ran out of gas

TokenBoomer OP ,

There’s a rumor that they are going to replace Biden with Jimmy Carter, so he can get a second term. I joke.

Draedron ,

I dont get why people attack Biden for having a stutter. He stutters. We know. He always did, its why he does these breaks when speaking. Everything else is warranted though. He is way too old and slow. Still much better than the other old and slow dude.

nutsack ,

he wasn't so bad in 2020. he just aged a lot

SeattleRain ,

Bruh he sounded ancient. I actually found it challenging to follow what he was saying.

CharlesDarwin ,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Doesn't Biden have a cold?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Immune systems of 80 year old men are notoriously not great.

bloodfart ,

If you are upset with Bidens chances, Bidens genocidal foreign policy, bidens too little too late climate policy or bidens xenophobic foreign policy:

Consider voting for a third party that actually has a platform and politics that aligns with your own.

Now that it’s clear the democrats won’t win. Now that it’s clear the only people throwing their votes away are the ones who carefully, tactically, thoughtfully attach their support to the democrats. Now that it’s clear a new American political formation has to emerge.

Take this opportunity to record your needs in the only way that cannot be ignored, glossed over, deepfaked or otherwise denied.

Voting won’t be enough, but it’s the start to a new alignment within the power structure we have. Be kind and understanding towards your neighbors.

TokenBoomer OP ,

Classic bloodfart.

bloodfart ,

If you got a messed up Linux I’ll help you with it.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

What a disaster. I can’t remember the last time I saw a decent presidential debate, they all devolve into completely failing to answer the questions and just attacking the opponent. The only thing this new format did was prevent them from constantly talking over the opponent when their time was up.

What the hell happened to Biden? I mean, he’s old…but normally his speaking is far, far better despite his stutter. He could hardly get coherent rebuttals out half the time and had a hard time enunciating his policy goals.

Trump…nothing but a torrent of lies, [insert group] loves me, and “hurr durr you’re stupid, Biden.” But he was able to spew his word salad clearly.

They should have had fact-checkers, but the problem is that trump told so many lies so fast that 75% of the debate would have been the moderators having to correct trump’s bs.

This was embarrassing, to put it mildly. Terrifying to see trump look better than Biden - if you ignore what was actually said.

kandoh ,

The only realistic person who would replace Biden is Kamala Harris, and I don't think people would vote for her.

Leate_Wonceslace ,
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

She's not Trump. People would vote for her.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

This seems to be the only criteria anyone can evaluate. But if that's the case, why bother removing Biden? Let the man drool his way into a second term. Its all the same, so long as he isn't Trump.

Zink ,

Those of us who pay attention and give a shit would vote for her, but Biden (or what’s left of him) already has our votes whether we like it or not.

But for the people who are disconnected or ignorant enough that they aren’t already itching to vote against Trump? They can be influenced by the dumbest things.

AutistoMephisto ,
@AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

Hillary isn't Trump. And people still hated her, more than they disliked Trump. And now, the DNC and the Biden campaign has the onerous and extremely difficult, if not impossible task of making people hate Trump more than they dislike Biden.

Leate_Wonceslace ,
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

That happened before Trump's first term, and Biden beat Trump before 1/6. Take all that into context.

FunnyUsername ,
@FunnyUsername@lemmy.world avatar

Hillary won the popular vote.

btaf45 ,

extremely difficult,

Let's see now, should I vote for Demoracy (D) or several decades of Fascism (R) and decadence and depravity? Such an extremely difficult choice. /s

if not impossible task of making people hate Trump more than they dislike Biden.

Treason Trump is the most hated politican in America dude. And I don't dislike Biden at all. He's been a decent and very effective president. But I would like to have a stronger candidate and see Biden release his delegates and be replaced with Gavin Newsom.

btaf45 ,

The only realistic person who would replace Biden is Kamala Harris, and I don’t think people would vote for her.

Nope. We need Gavin Newsome. If Biden released his delegates they would not be bound to Harris they could vote for anybody. But it would be helpful to have her buy in and I think she should be kept on the ticket as VP.

Suavevillain ,
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

People who aren't the VBNMW crowd saw the writing on the wall for Biden. This debate only helped Trump even tho Trump literally didn't answer anything. That is Trump's style all insults or jokes and no substance. Not sure what happens here it is way too late to switch to anyone else. We're cooked.

btaf45 ,

I literally counted every one of Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump's lies and the total was over 200.

As for Biden, I am deeply hoping that behind the scenes other Dem politicians are furiously trying to convince Biden to drop out and be replaced with Gavin Newsom. The party rules are that Biden would need to agree to formally release his delegates. But since Biden has maintained all along that he only ran to keep Treason Trump out of office, I think it would be possible to persuade Biden to drop out. Leave Harris as VP because she would need to have buy in as well. The convention is not till August so it doesn't have to happen tomorrow but it does need to happen before the convention so they need to start working on it right now.

kikutwo ,

Still better than the Traitorapist.

damnedfurry ,

Traitorapist

Oh come on, you're not even trying now, lol

kikutwo ,

No doubt it's easy pickins...

btaf45 ,

Traitorapist.

OMG Awesome label! I am so stealing that from you!

kikutwo ,

Please spread it far and wide

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