JeeBaiChow ,

I guess it's just easier to blame the boomers for the state the country is in, comparing to bothersome things like exercising your right to choose. Kids. Go figure.

bluGill ,

I've been voting third party for decades now. If enough others do we can make a difference.

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DarkGamer ,

I'll vote 3rd parties when we implement RCV or STV, until then it just supports the greater evil.

bluGill ,

When both candidates are too evil to vote for then this is the rational choice. Your vote is counted and so people see it when they look. Many minor parties have gotten everything they want without ever winning - when the vote margin between you and an opponent is just a few percent, attracting those who care enough too vote for a third party makes a loss into a win.

Sure other voting systems give more power to other votes, but you still get power.

DarkGamer ,

If you consider Biden too evil to vote for, I don't know what to tell you, He's been one of the best presidents we've had recently and the resurgence of unions we're experiencing is thanks to him.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

He’s one of the best presidents we’ve had recently

Considering his cohort I don’t think that’s saying much. We’ve had a lot of shitty presidents. Most of them, actually.

DarkGamer ,

You can tell the terrible ones because they have an R next to their name. Clinton, Obama, and Biden have all been at the very least inoffensive and reasonable.

MudMan ,
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Oh, wait, that wasn't a sarcastic joke?

Damn.

Well, I guess if that's been going on for decades at least it's a vote that can be safely discounted. Also no, it won't make a difference. At least not in the US. The math of it is demonstrably that it won't make a difference, especialy if you do it repeatedly. As the guy above said, you change the system so that it makes a difference first (which you may or may not get to via voting) and THEN it'll make a difference. Until then it's just performative absenteeism. Unless you are not in the US and instead live in a parlamentarian proportional system, in which case carry on.

mateomaui ,

It will only make a difference when third party candidates run for something other than president, where that party can establish a track record of getting something done in local and regional venues. Only coming out every 4 years does nothing to sway non-3rd party voters, particularly when it’s people like Jill Stein who very clearly demonstrate their sense of ethics isn’t any better and they’re just as likely to act in their own financial self-interests, and essentially dupe their voters into donations that get misappropriated. She’s even had at least one judge say as much in a ruling against her after the last election. We’ve been explaining this for many elections now, but you just don’t listen. Until then, 3rd party votes just amount to spoilers.

bluGill ,

They are winning those down ballot elections in places.

mateomaui ,

Great, win more, in more places, for more significant periods of time, and actually show accomplishments, then we can talk about it being a better alternative.

mateomaui ,

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lolcatnip ,

If enough people donated enough to charity, we wouldn't need social safety nets. But they won't, so we always will.

Tremble ,

Biden supporters kicking and screaming like babies.

No more vote blue no matter who.

DNC will become irrelevant if they don’t change their ways.

Young people aren’t forced to watch the same three television networks like the older generations. Thank goodness.

If dems don’t like it and they need the young peoples votes, then maybe they can change their strategy.

mateomaui ,

Young people need to reconsider how much worse things will be for them specifically, if Trump gets back in office and appoints more judges, etc. Young people have more time left to suffer in this life than most of us.

CharlesDarwin ,
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And that happens after donnie takes power?

Pratai ,

LOL.

Binthinkin ,

Young voters are going to make both parties hate them like we did when we voted in Obama. That was a great time. Watching dems and cons alike be low key racist for 8 years was such a huge reveal.

Let’s do it again but harder this time!

uienia ,

What a load of absolute "muh both sides" nonsense.

verdantbanana ,
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and some are not allowed to vote because of laws and policies crafted over the years by politicians like Biden and Trump

StinkyOnions ,

I'd love to know what you're even talking about.

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

talking about the people in the US who are not allowed to vote due to different laws and policies like myself being left out of yet another election

US has plenty of dissidents too

StinkyOnions ,

What laws and policies, bro?

marxistsynths19 ,

Let the fall of the American empire begin. If we think our way of Life is worth fighting for then we’re gonna actually have to fight for it.

LifeOfChance ,

It's definitely not the majority but having spoken with my cousin and his friends I get it. Why even bother voting things aren't getting better so why try? Voting for the best of the worst is just defeating as you know you'll still be working 2 or 3 jobs just to put food on the table. Plus people literally can't afford to take time off to go vote they need the money. Some of them are trying to support their sick parents or even kids.

rbesfe ,

This logic would apply in past elections, but when an authoritarian fascist is banging at the door everyone has a responsibility to actively hold it shut

Whatsit_Tooya ,

Because of Project 2025 and what that would mean for the future should Trump & Co. win.

adrian783 ,

because things can get much much worse? also mail in ballots exist?

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