Israel responded with batshit overwhelming force to a terrorist attack by a contingent of Palestinian nationals and has comitted numerous war crimes against innocent civilians in the process.
I'm not going to buy a console for just one game. If I really want to play that game, and it's been years, and it still hasn't come out on pc, and I can't get the goddamn emulator to work, well, I'll watch a streamer play it.
The difference that I was thinking of was of recorded videos vs. live streams, where with the former you can watch whenever instead of only when the person is streaming.
10 years ago I was like “why tf would I want to watch someone play a video game when I could just play it myself?”
Now I’m like “why tf would I play this game when I could just watch someone else?”
I guess I’m still interested in what’s going on in gaming in general, but I don’t have any desire to go through all the bullshit of a modern AAA game with a huge repetitive open world, dozens of half assed shallow mechanics (rpg/perk system, loot, crafting etc.), homogenized design, predatory DLC/mtx, and all that. I’d rather play Factorio and watch a streamer play whatever hot new game people are into.
This is another huge aspect of why I watch streamers. I love games, but some just aren’t for me. It’s great to get to experience something I normally wouldn’t with a community hyping it up and what not. Great point.
At this point, I know there are so, so, so, so, SO many good games out there from 1977 onwards that I can just play whenever, that I lost interest in checking out new games. Maybe for the graphics, but unless there's a quantum leap in gaming (like, Matrix-like immersion without the dying), then I'm not interested.
And I don't exaggerate when I say 1977. Have you played Atari 2600's Phoenix? Shit is addictive!
I legitimately never understood the draw of watching sports, on any level, until I watched people playing hard video games and was fascinated by checking out what they could do and got to share in their vicarious enjoyment of their accomplishment when they overcame.
I was like oh, I get it. That's why people watch football. Makes sense now.
Just want to throw in. You said both states. Israel is a state. Palastinians do not have a state, they are under occupation and governance of the Israel state. It's similar to South African apartheid. This isn't two countries fighting. This is a colony that has subjugated the local population and are dealing with rebellions. Palastinians have no freedom of travel within Palestine (the geographic name of the area).
Well, we are nearing 100 years of Israel occupation of Palestine. I would very easily argue that Israel runs an apartheid state that discriminates against Palestinians. If you'd like I can prove that to you. And of course south African president Mr. Mandala himself believed the two to be similar. Quote.
"But we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians."
There's a reason south Africa today was the one to bring international charges against Israel for genocide. South Africa sees the Israel colonization and apartheid of Palestine and palastinians to be a shared struggle, identical to their oppression and their apartheid.
Exactly. There were a couple of small streamers I used to watch on Twitch and joined their Discord servers. It was a blast for a while but my work schedule changed and I was unable to watch/participate as much.
It's definitely better live and being able to participate in some way.
It started with an initial shitpost that looked like a Wikipedia screen cap that said something like, "Trout populations are highly vulnerable to environmental damage. For example, a meteor striking the earth will damage the trout population"
People started referencing that shitpost, usually something along the lines of "[something cataclysmic and world ending] will hurt the trout population"
I am by no means highly informed, but so far, I didn't see a few things I think should be mentioned.
Both Israel's government and Hamas are definitely bad guys who found stirring hate towards each other a convenient way of staying in power. After all, If you have the stongest rhetoric towards someone who wants to kill people of your country, of course those people will vote for you and you can get away with things you otherwise couldn't.
There's also another side which I haven't seen explicitly mentioned and should be considered: surrounding islamic countries (who are surely not a homogeneous group). They are in a good position to help palestinian civilians, but don't do very much for various reasons I know relatively little about.
They are in a good position to help palestinian civilians, but don’t do very much for various reasons I know relatively little about.
Palestine is under occupation. Every time anyone tries to help (like aid workers or even NATO), Israel attacks them. People say let them resettle in Egypt. They shouldn't have to resettle, lose their homes, Egypt shouldn't have to provide refugees services, etc. People always say, "Other Muslim countries should help them so they must not care." False.
I'll let others fill in the history of the rest of it. TLDR: Palestinian civilians are not all Hamas, but they are treated as such.
It can simultaneously be true that Palestinians should not be evicted from their homes and also that nearby countries (including Israel by the way) have an obligation to assist with the refugee crisis. There is no perfect solution to this crisis, and given the lack of collective consensus, each individual actor should be pursuing the least bad option available to them. I think for neighboring countries this includes letting in refugees at a minimum.
Yeah this was the first video of his that I've seen, but I've also been going through his backlog. He does seem to have his head on straight.
I used to be more in the "Israel has a right defend itself after they were attacked" camp, but then there was continuous reporting about aid being blocked, and people being shot when trying to collect aid, and reporters being obviously targeted, and an apparently wholesale leveling of buildings... and then I saw Shaun's video, and well that pretty much wrapped it all up.
I think it's pretty clear now that Israel is using the attack as an excuse to just take over all of that territory, and they don't care at all about killing everyone there.
I've been paying attention to this thing for close to 23 years.
When I came in, it was after a long period of time where the Palestinian government was sending suicide bombers. It must've been horrible to live through, but you can't change minds by making their lives harder, and you've got to take responsibility for your own actions.
Shaun really won me over when early in the video he states that Israel being more powerful has more responsibility in the peace process. It's not a revolutionary idea, but it was nice to hear.
I think people just like to get mad about something.
This is as good of a thing as any to be mad about.
To everyone who takes offense to this: I'm not saying you don't have reasons. I'm sure you do. Please don't share them with me. I'm so far removed from the conflict and I have so many problems of my own that I cannot spare any thought for this war. My only sentiment on it is that I hope that innocent people stop getting killed needlessly. I don't care what side they're on, if they're not intentionally part of the fighting, and they die as a result of the fighting, that's the kind of person I'm talking about. With a special additional note of the same regarding children. Kids can't really comprehend the reason for the fighting and death and therefore are incapable of "taking a side", so they're especially innocent in all of this.
In summary, stop killing people. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk
I was kind of under the impression that Hamas was a defacto ruling party in Gaza. Given their support (according to some in this thread) that Isreal has given to them previously to maintain Gaza, and their previous political standing in West Bank, as well as all the coverage surrounding the conflict. Perhaps I shouldn't of over generalized by referring to Palestine. Because Gaza seems to be the only Palestinian state actually involved in this war. But then again, I'm also attempting to use the same language to describe the scenario as I see it as many of the media sources and supporters of either side do.
Would you say Hamas isn't attempting to eradicate Israelis when convenient? Obviously they're not as effective as Israel's attempt to eradicate Gazans, but to me it seems like they want Israelis dead even more so than the Israelis want Gazans dead just due to the actions they have taken.
Would you say Hamas isn’t attempting to eradicate Israelis when convenient?
Hamas is a much more pragmatic organization than this. They were like that for a while, but stopped somewhere between 2000 and 2006. They also recently came out and said they'd lay down their arms and become a political party if a two-state solution is enforced. Now whether they mean it aside (I think they should be cautiously believed here) that's not the rhetoric of someone going for an eradication campaign.
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