captainlezbian ,

Because we have a fascism problem if you haven’t noticed

Scrof ,

America doesn't have a fascism problem, Americans just like to see themselves as some sorts of victims. Russia, China and Iran do have a real fascism problem though.

Olgratin_Magmatoe , (edited )

The republican/right wing party attempted to overthrow an election. And they are unabashed about that. And somehow they still have a 3rd of the country still supporting them.

Is that not enough for us to qualify as having a real fascism problem?

pufferfischerpulver ,

It's qualifying you for a real idiot problem, that's for sure.

Holyginz ,

We very much have a fascism problem. It's very very concerning and it's very concerning you either are disregarding it or know nothing about it.

soviettaters ,

If we had a fascism problem you wouldn't be able to say that.

CarbonIceDragon ,
@CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

Only once they've taken over. But once there's more than the unavoidable fringe of them around and they start having a real shot at power, you have a problem, even if they can't yet stop people from criticizing them

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

"You can't say we have a problem until you're in line for the death camps"

Great plan, very helpful.

einat2346 ,
@einat2346@lemmy.today avatar

It's ok. The FBI has an anti-fascism department.

lseif ,

antifa terrorists have infiltrated the government??!! /s

Diplomjodler ,

They're so patriotic, they can't sell out their country to its biggest enemy fast enough.

Ottomateeverything ,

It's probably because sending old scraps to Ukraine doesn't make any money. Sending soldiers to die in Afghanistan was futile and guaranteed the production, sale, and shipment of more military tech/vehicles. Sending shit that was already made just costs money and doesn't fellate the military industrial complex.

Hegar ,
@Hegar@kbin.social avatar

It does though, the money earmarked for ukraine is mostly going to buy new stuff for us to replace the old stuff we give to ukraine.

The reason is just so obviously that trump is a russian asset and now so too is the republican party.

Skua ,

Not to mention that a Ukraine that survives the war relatively intact will then be familiar with NATO-standard equipment and not particularly likely to want to buy things from Russia

Municipal0379 ,

And will then join NATO as the 3rd, 4th, or 5th most combat prepared force. I’d assume they’d be behind the US and UK but in the mix of France, Germany, and Turkey.

nuke Mod ,
@nuke@sh.itjust.works avatar

Oh god keep going

force ,

Does it really cost money though? I would think that it's far more expensive to just store & maintain our massive pile of outdated equipment. I imagine the military would be relieved to finally get rid of their hundreds of shitty A-10s rather than constantly pay for their existence at least, it seems like it'd save a lot of money. hint hint

I mean I wouldn't wish using the A-10 upon anybody (eugh), especially Ukrainians. But it would be good for money

_xDEADBEEF OP ,

Don't forget the cost of disposal of expiring ammo, if not used on the range.

drphungky ,

The idea that you think people in the Bush administration sent soldiers to Afghanistan to make money is insane, and shows me you have never worked in government or met anyone who has. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant Iraq, not Afghanistan (since the US was attacked and the whole world agreed on going into Afghanistan). But even for Iraq, no one is making calculations on what's good for the military industrial complex - they're guessing on if the cost of human life is worth the human lives saved and suffering prevented, and yes "spreading democracy". We can certainly mock it now, and talk about the WMD justification proving false, but the idea of going to war to somehow make money is insane. War is a net negative (look up broken window theory) and everyone in government knows it. The point of war is to change the global order, not pad pocketbooks, and effecting global change still would be the point even if it worked for making money - which it doesn't.

Ottomateeverything ,

The idea that you think people in the Bush administration sent soldiers to Afghanistan to make money is insane, and shows me you have never worked in government or met anyone who has.

The fact that you think this is so insane shows that you have no idea how the actual finances of sovereign currency works. What'd it cost them? Numbers on the "debt" that's so astronomically high that it's a joke?

since the US was attacked and the whole world agreed on going into Afghanistan

Yeah, sounds like you "worked" too closely to this militarization. That's just blatantly false. Portions of the fucking US itself, the target of the attacks, still protested and was against going there.

War is a net negative (look up broken window theory) and everyone in government knows it.

Many huge corporations disagree, and profit off of this. Even in the early 2000s, while it was happening, Haliburton and Cheneys relationship were heavily criticized, because even if it's some "net" negative or positive, there are people that stand to make a lot of money off one side of that equation.

The point of war is to change the global order, not pad pocketbooks

There were large issues people took with many international conflicts being about money and companies lining pockets. Whether it's oil in the middle east, fruit in central America, or any of the others, there are many conflicts in the "global order" which have had huge impacts for the aggressor and their economy. If you want to try to justify each one, sure, but many points point to a trend.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

Because the half of the country that drools over the prospect of sending American sons and daughters to their death love dictators, like Putin, and hate liberals, like that Zelenskyy guy (I hear he's not even a Christian!)

aew360 ,

Because Putin is bankrolling two or three minor political parties and the front runner of a major political party. That fucking anti-war protest in DC was the dumbest shit. Yeah let’s have two political parties that agree on absolutely fucking nothing except for hating Ukraine co-host an event where Ron Paul’s bitch ass makes up stories about how congresspeople told him that they needed to start a war to fix the economy while some limpdick tankie waves the Soviet flag around in the background

PrinceWith999Enemies ,

Most people posting as tankies today aren’t tankies.

As someone who has done extensive reading in modern Marxism, Rawlsian doctrine, anarchism both historical and modern, and so on and so on (and yes that was a Žižek reference), many of those posting as far leftists are coming from wholly self-constructed positions. They’re either deliberately playing the role of an agent provocateur or they’re people who have unwittingly become broadcast nodes with the same effect.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

and so on and so on (and yes that was a Žižek reference)

"And sho on" [sniff] "and sho forth."

Unironically Zizek is very fascinating though.

psmgx ,

Ehhhh not really. He's alright

Socsa ,

Tankies on Lemmy are 100% right wing trolls pretending to be leftists. They aren't even trying to hide it at this point.

aew360 ,

One of them on chapotraphouse said “I’m gonna vote for Trump just so see the US finally burn to the ground” and I replied “horseshoe theory: confirmed” and the mods removed my comment lmao

HobbitFoot ,

I've had one case on lemmy.ml where they deleted many of my comments but kept the brigading comments responding.

There are definitely lines that some mods will defer to one side.

PrinceWith999Enemies ,

I opened accounts on multiple instances due to the instability (and information propagation dynamics) of individual ones. I figured “why not?” I had several Reddit accounts, after all, and it just seemed to make sense.

I thought lemmy.ml was for machine learning. The UI I was using didn’t include self-descriptions.

skillissuer Mod ,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

maoism-third worldism: an infantile disorder

Zirconium ,

Someone accused me of denying the Holocaust because I said Poland didn't invade the Soviet union

Socsa ,

I got a ban on Lemmy for "genocide denial" for saying the Russian invasion of Ukraine had traits of genocide.

These people are shockingly propagandized.

Zirconium ,

Crazy how tankies support Russia (despite them not even being communist, domestic abuse, treatment of gay people, and ties with conservatives). And are just okay with Russia killing entire villages of Ukraines because their supposed Nazi government (didn't let a Russian puppet in government).

prettybunnys ,

A lot of us leftists also disavow tankies entirely, they don’t represent us.

Hyperreality ,

Cosplay communists. They don't actually believe in communism, they just like the esthetic and being contrarian.

Scrof ,

Ah, yes, the myth of "real Communism".

lemmingrad ,

Zizek is the Jordan Peterson of the left.

Empricorn , (edited )

They’re either deliberately playing the role of an agent provocateur or they’re people who have unwittingly become broadcast nodes with the same effect.

That's... a tankie, at least functionally. If they're spouting the propaganda, I don't care where it came from or whether it's officially certified as doctrine.

njm1314 ,

At this point I think he's probably bankrolling a lot more than just the front runner.

Passerby6497 ,

We've known that for close to a decade now. Let's not forget that a bunch of traitors spent July 4th in Moscow and that Paul Ryan said that trump and a few others in Congress were getting paid by russia

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