RizzRustbolt ,

Limiting migration out of the country, that is.

Suavevillain ,
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

Bipartisanship only moves in one direction, and it is right.

jumjummy ,

Funny how none of the solutions to try and curb illegal immigration fall on the business owners who knowingly hire them. Enact jail time for those business owners, and see how quickly the demand dries up. No coincidence that most of these business owners are Republican. They want permanent underclass of vulnerable workers they can exploit.

disguy_ovahea ,

Copied and pasting my comment from a similar post. I’m curious what suggestions are out there.

Migrants are given one year of free housing to decide if they want to naturalize or move to another nation. Current immigration law leaves hosting up to individual cities, without Federal mandates for participation. Sanctuary cities are at capacity, and are using a turnstile system to allow new migrants in as existing migrants leave.

POTUS can control detainment or turn away migrants at the border with the power of Executive Order.

Turning migrants away resulted in increased deaths in Mexico, while detainment is clearly not reasonably hospitable to people in need.

Honest question- besides the obvious solution of congressional immigration reform giving migrants the right to assisted stay in places other than sanctuary cities, what should Biden do? Turn away, detain, or overcrowd sanctuary cities?

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

We could increase funding and streamline the path to citizenship to meet the levels of immigration instead of letting a massive backlog build up that will only make the problem worse.

disguy_ovahea ,

I agree. That the congressional immigration reform that I mentioned. Only Congress can increase the budget. Biden repealed Title 42 and left the border open while pressing Congress for that exact legislation. They haven’t legislated a full reform since 1986. The reform passed in 2019 was for minors and an amendment tied to border security. Trump twisted the mandatory acceptance for minors into Title 42, detaining them while deporting their parents.

https://guides.loc.gov/latinx-civil-rights/irca

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6

So with congressional reform options aside, what do you think Biden should do?

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

He could not actively make it worse by implementing counterproductive limitations.

disguy_ovahea ,

You’re vaguely stating what he shouldn’t do. Which of his three options do you think is best? Turn away, detain, or overcrowd sanctuary cities?

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Biden wouldn't be overcrowding sanctuary cities, that would be the result of obstruction in congress.

That is also the least worst thing he could do, nothing at all. All of the other options are worse because of congressional obstruction.

disguy_ovahea ,

It’s not really about blame, it’s about resources. If a sanctuary city states they’re at capacity, they no longer can provide housing for the migrants.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Releasing that pressure by denying migrants the proper asylum process means that the problem can be ignored for longer instead of the sanctuary cities applying more pressure for actual change.

This is a counterproductive band aid.

disguy_ovahea ,

They’ve been asking for support since last year. Congress failed to pass a bill.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Republucans obstructed the bill they asked for. It will take longer than a year to overcome that hurdle.

disguy_ovahea ,

It’s been almost forty years since comprehensive immigration reform was passed. The problem is Congress, not POTUS. Biden only has the three options I mentioned above.

Blackbeard Mod ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

Immigration is a net positive that boosts the economy and helps build the labor force and supercharge entrepreneurship.

But also, border encounters are higher than they've been since the 1990s, illegal immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete against immigrants to those who employ immigrants (i.e. upward), and the influx of illegal immigrants is placing a disproportionate financial strain on state and local governments along the border. In the short term, and whether we like it or not, increased net immigration puts downward pressure on wages. If Democrats hope to be competitive in places like Arizona, Texas, and Florida, they need to meaningfully address what voters are saying is the most important problem facing this country right now.

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

The White House is finalizing plans for a U.S.-Mexico border clampdown that would shut off asylum requests and automatically deny entrance to migrants once the number of people encountered by American border officials exceeded a new daily threshold, with President Joe Biden expected to sign an executive order as early as Tuesday, according to four people familiar with the matter.

The president has been weighing additional executive action since the collapse of a bipartisan border bill earlier this year.

The Biden administration has grown ever more conservative on border issues as the president faces ceaseless criticism from Republicans and there are large numbers of migrants crossing into the U.S. from Mexico who are not easily returned, especially as global displacement grows from war, climate change and more.

sounds like a right leaning conservative to me

what about additional executive action on anything else like women's rights, minimum wage, or anything that could count toward the human good

PopOfAfrica ,

Neoliberals have coopted the term progressive, just like they coopt, whitewash, and scrub away all of our movements.

Blackbeard Mod ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar
NatoBoram ,
@NatoBoram@lemm.ee avatar

Your "minimum wage" link states multiple times that it is only for federal employees, not for the general population. There are still states where you can get less than 10$/h.

Blackbeard Mod ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

The President cannot unilaterally increase the minimum wage, which is spelled out in the Fair Labor Standards Act. Only Congress can amend that law. Biden's Executive Order went as far as he's legally allowed to go.

PopOfAfrica ,

Greetings from $8.75/hr land

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Greeting from $7.25/hr land!

HobbitFoot ,

sounds like a right leaning conservative to me

There have been leftists who were also anti-immigration. Cesar Chavez campaigned against illegal immigration as he saw those immigrants as a main source of scab labor. The main economic argument against an open border policy is that it depresses wages.

It just happens to be that the right uses anti-immigration more as it is the easiest economic giveaway to low wage citizens.

disguy_ovahea ,

Sounds like you don’t know the difference between presidential and congressional power.

Only Congress can issue immigration reform and increase the budget for sanctuary cities.

POTUS can only allow entry, detain, or turn away.

Our sanctuary cities are at capacity.

What do you want him to do?

PopOfAfrica ,

Most progressive president since FDR?

BackOnMyBS ,
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

Serious question: who was a more progressive POTUS since FDR?

  • Maybe LBJ with civil rights, Medicare and Medicaid, but Vietnam.
  • Maybe Jimmothy Carter, but he is commonly regarded as a bit unsuccessful as a president
PopOfAfrica ,

There hasnt been, what with the rightward drift of the Democratic party. The problem is he is not a progressive.

We've done better on two fronts, gay and civil rights.

Aside from that we are more right leaning by every other metric. Him being 80% less progressive than FDR is not a flex.

Edit: have fun losing this election. Yall are so out of touch with the people if you think Joe Biden is progressive.

goferking0 ,

Really shows how low that bar was/is

PopOfAfrica ,

Thats whats crazy. I just want these people to stop gaslighting us into thinking Biden was even within pissing distance to FDR.

Its just such bad faith to equate the two.

Blackbeard Mod ,
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Assman ,
@Assman@sh.itjust.works avatar

That was way worse actually, 2/3 of them were US citizens

Blackbeard Mod ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

I agree. I don't know which is more interesting, that the progressive standard-bearer unilaterally executed one of the most egregious civil rights violations of the 20th century, or that progressive voters have completely forgotten that he did.

PopOfAfrica ,

Yep, you're completely right. FDR's bad immigration stance makes Biden's good. Yep, that is exactly how logic works.

Blackbeard Mod ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

That's quite literally not what I said or implied.

PopOfAfrica ,

Then what exactly were you implying?

FDR's policy was bad, deplorable even. Biden's policy is also bad.

Are we agreeing on this?

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