I love how democrats scream about a few thousand votes every election. Why is it that democrats cut it so close with a fascist, racist, sexist, dogshit party every election? The democrats should consider that they're doing a shit job and should work to improve themselves instead of shrieking "but other guy!!!" every single election and claiming that everything cost them the election except for themselves. If they lose the election they smugly say "look how right we are with how bad things are!" and if they win the election they smugly say "we won so we must be doing something right, let's keep the shitty status quo going!"
Same song and dance from the 2 party machine. The way the political system is. This isnt democracy and I'd rather see trump elected purely so he can implode the system. And it'd be entirely the democrats own fault for falling into complete corruption and ineffectuality. Biden is bank rolling and arming a genocide, hes been nothing but a puppet president his entire term and the democratic party has become a corrupt oligarchy just the same as the republicans. This 2 party system is given power only by the willing consent and active participation of the american people. And I think its time that the american people said enough is enough and abolished the two existing political parties completely so that we can form a functional democracy instead of this corporate klepto clown show.
RFK isnt a perfect candidate but hes the best political candidate iv seen run for officeoin my lifetime.
Look up Stein's views of Russia. She blames NATO for Russia's Invasion. Virtually never criticizes Putin. She says "why bother? " Stating that Ukraine used to belong to Russia. So she has no real issue with Russia erasing the Ukrainian identity and culture(genocide). She is a monster.
she did say "why bother" but it wasn't in a statement about ukraine formerly belonging to russia. it was in the context of showing that everyone knows putin is a bad guy. she has never said she has no issue with russia erasing ukrainian identity, but she has called the invasion illegal. and she did say that nato's saber rattling provoked it, but she still condemns the invasion.
They run this same story about third party candidates every election year. The problem is they never show that the people who voted for the third party candidate would've definitely gone to one party or the other. People know what's at stake, why do you assume people voting for RFK Jr would've voted for Biden? There's nothing about his platform that is very left leaning. The most left leaning thing about him is his last name.
Edit: Just as an example, I voted for Nader in 2000. I'm someone who would've voted for Gore otherwise. But guess what? I was voting in a state that wasn't in close contention at all, so I could vote for a third party without really changing the calculus of who would get elected. The idea that votes for third parties are fungible with votes for major party candidates is just not accurate.
Because it's true every time, and it works a lot. Gore would have won if Nader wasn't on the ticket, and guess what? The Republicans have been propping up third-party candidates for years.
Hell, in Florida they got some random dude on the ticket just because he had the same name as the Democrat -- and it worked.
Intuitively it doesn't even make sense in this case though. Biden is running as the safe ordinary establishment candidate. Trump and RFK Jr are going for the right wing wacko conspiracy theory crowd.
Unless I see data to the contrary, I'm going to assume that RFK Jr siphons more votes from Trump.
RFK Jr. is a piece of dog shit drying in the hot summer sun. I can't imagine in any universe this guy (who makes me wish there was a Sirhan Sirhan Jr.) draining votes from Joe Biden when their views are diametrically opposed.
I don't know this author, but when I see articles like this I always think it's a reverse Hanlon's razor. I refuse to believe the people reporting on it are stupid and assume they're fucking evil.
I said this in another post, but i believe older democrats who dont keep up with the nonsense of politics could very well just see the name Kennedy and vote for him. If we werent in a very red state i would be worried about my grandfather in his 80s doing exactly that.
He’s pretty well known among the folks that are big on social justice and environmental issues. I would argue that he’s the biggest name to be on the Green ticket since Nader.
And he doesn’t have to be know by everyone to fuck over Biden. This is going to be a close race. Spoiling a race means that it could come down to a few more votes than normal for the Greens.
He's going the with "NATO forced them to" talking point, and he's against additional funding for Ukraine. I don't think many people truly on the left will pick him over Biden. Let's hope not, at least.
It's criminal and imperialist. Russia was mad that their former colony wanted to have closer relations to the West and join NATO. So, they invaded and seized Crimea.
When that wasn't enough, and shockingly didn't make Ukraine want to get closer to Russia, Russia invaded the rest of Ukraine.
West does not seem to understand that NATO is a voluntary organization that requires applications to get in, nor that the core of this war is Russia trying to exercise imperialism.
So, it begs the question, why doesn't West want the US to aid a country in protecting its sovereignty against an imperialist power? If he's ideologically consistent, that means he wouldn't want to help Palestinians obtain freedom from Israel either.
Socialist Party of America, Socialist Alternative, The Communist Party of the USA, and plenty others have been trying to run left of the Democratic Party for a century, it won't work in a FPTP voting system, converting the Democrats into a Socialist party would literally be easier.
If you want a left wing party other than the Dems, you're gonna have to change FPTP first.
The DNC is a national political party organization. Every four years the entire party is reorganized from the ground up. It's actually a pretty well created organizational system, the only people who really bitch about it are they keyboard warriors who have no understanding of it or the crazies who cannot fathom why they need other people to agree with them.
Pelosi doesn't pick who can enter or who wins a primary, none of the Democratic leadership does. That's the donor class at best, but even they can get steamrolled over as the left should've learned with AOC and Crowley.
The DNC is a national political party organization
Nope, it's a private for-profit corporation masquerading as a political party.
That's how they're legally registered and that's how they were able to argue in court that they can rig the primaries or even just directly appointment nominees if they want to
Every four years the entire party is reorganized from the ground up
How adorably naive you are! 🥹
Biden and the rest of the leadership are part of a clique who took over the party in 1992 and never let go. Maybe some of the names and faces change, but the governing and campaign philosophies haven't changed since then and won't no matter how much the people they're supposed to represent do.
It's actually a pretty well created organizational system well-orchestrated political and financial machine
Fixed it for you
the only people who really bitch about it are they keyboard warriors who have no understanding of it people who understand how it ACTUALLY works and would prefer a more open, honest and representative party
the crazies who cannot fathom why they need other people to agree with them.
Yeah, because the Democratic Party operates based on pure consensus of the voters and never act against the will of the people for profit or to maintain the status quo.. 🙄
Are you being paid or are you gaslighting for free?
It’s so pathetic how you all try to convince us that the Dems are a fairly run grassroots organization when we all know that’s complete bullshit. The second there’s a real threat to the party leadership they can and will change the rules with zero options for recourse through the courts. They’ve done it multiple times before and they will do it again.
At this point I have to assume you have malicious intent towards leftist voters because this is just blatant gaslighting.
The Democratic Party and the DNC and all the affiliates are nothing more than tools for whatever vaguely left of american center interest group wants to use them.
There's no massive conspiracy to keep the Democrats Neoliberal, and if there is anything even similar to that, it's happening behind closed doors in Wall Street, not Washington.
They'll keep doing whatever they want without changing as long as people keep voting for him.
How long have you been involved in politics? I dont mean for that to sound demeaning. We've gone from Neoliberal democrats and Clinton gutting social welfare in the 90s to Socialists being integrated into the broader coalition, both parties have changed and will continue to change immensely over time. Ignoring that because you're upset about Bernie losing the primary in 2016 and 2020 and disconnecting completely from the party is just a ticket to irrelevance, and I say that as someone who worked on some of Bernie's first barnstorm events and both presidential campaigns.
I love how democrats just throw out the word “conspiracy” whenever they’re trying to make rational ideas sound crazy.
There is no “conspiracy” to keep the dnc neoliberal. They do it right out in the fucking open and they couldn’t be more clear about it.
The current Dem leader in the house is an actual public school buster with direct ties to private school corporations yet we still have blatant shills like you trying to gaslight us into believing that the democrats aren’t intentionally pro-corporate neoliberals. That’s fucking hilarious.
There is no “conspiracy” to keep the dnc neoliberal. They do it right out in the fucking open and they couldn’t be more clear about it.
That would still be a conspiracy, I never said it was a conspiracy theory. But if having Caucus leadership of a certain ideology makes the entire party that ideology, let's look at the largest democratic caucus and who leads it
Well look at that, it's the largest caucus of the Democratic Party and its literally lead by a socialist. The entire democratic party must be socialist /s.
We are definitely trying to fight with capitalists over who "owns" the party right now, but walking away from the fight now and trying the same thing the CPUSA and SPA have been trying for a century would be stupid.
It's funny the way this thread went. I don't think people paid attention to how much the Democratic party changed after 2016 after the Bernie peeps found out about how the party is actually structured. But there ended up being 3 types of new grassroots activists.
The ones that quickly found out that the DNC isn't some authoritarian regime who instead pulled up their seat at the table and effected change.
The ones that quickly found out that the DNC isn't some authoritarian regime and who wouldn't compromise with anyone and quickly became irrelevant but still cried that the system was still rigged (while their compatriots looked on in disgust lamenting the extra power to affect change they would have if they would vote as a block).
Those who got in and then tried to pull the ladder up to prevent themselves from losing their position the same way they accused others of doing.
Completely agree, I really don't know why these people think the DNC is some massive evil force trying to crush the grassroots leftie activism.
I'm pasting this from one of my earlier comments, but I feel like it's incredibly relevant.
If you don't like the policies of the moderate Democrats then volunteer for your local party, most of the people running your county party are old as fuck, that's one of the main problems with the Dems. Vote in every single primary for the most progressive option. Donate to and volunteer for your progressive state representatives/senators. Help your coworkers organize a union and increase your lobbying power. Join a progressive/socialist election work group like Progressive Victory or any of the countless others. If you aren't doing at least one of these regularly, then you have no right to complain that the party isn't listening to you. You've given them no reason to.
I deeply feel that none of the people in this thread commenting about the malevolent DNC have done these, and kept doing them since the Bernie campaigns.
Or or, and hear me out here. We could do what has happened many different times throughout history. And take over/replace the structure of a party. The Democrats already ignore state and local elections across several red states. What if we lefties/socialist/etc instead of trying to prop up separate parties and separate candidates that always fail. Fielded our own candidates who more closely match our own ideals. And run them as Democrats in these areas. Focusing on funding them ourselves as well as whatever money the DNC apparatus might provide. We might actually start winning. And if we start winning we might actually be able to replace those in the DNC. And if we replace those in the DNC. Things might actually get better.
Succeeding? They’ve elected a tiny handful of candidates over the last thirty years so now that’s success? Lol, sounds like something a right wing Democrat would say, because that’s a very convenient result for the party itself. You’re either blindly loyal to this party or you must think we’re stupid.
They’ve elected a tiny handful of candidates over the last thirty years so now that’s success?
Almost all of which were elected in the past decade, that's rather quick for a political change as large as that. And more are being elected every year.
The DSA literally helped Bernie almost win the presidential primary, that wouldn't of even come close to happening if the average Democrat was some right wing anti-socialist hawk.
I could care less what he feels as he snuffs out the lives of children in Gaza.
Last Monday, the U.S. State Department deemed Israel in compliance with President Biden’s landmark national security memorandum issued in February. That memorandum required that recipients of U.S. weapons must demonstrate compliance with international law, and that they not interfere with or block the delivery of humanitarian aid.
Yes, it's absolutely in his discretion, and the lies his State Department are telling to continue doing so are outrageous and absurd.
She said it was a humanitarian catastrophe from day one of the invasion and called for an immediate ceasefire soon after. Just because she didn't use the exact word you want, a hugely legally binding and implicating one too mind you, you're willing to write her off?
You do realize that if that is your standard then literally no member of congress or in the executive is good enough for you, right?
Not to mention that it'd be hugely irresponsible for any government official to make a comment like that before the ICC ruling is actually finished.
Nope, party flips have happened before and they will happen again. You sound extremely condescending for someone who doesn’t know nearly as much they think they do.
The Democratic Party is run by deeply monied interests. You well never succeed in “converting” it to socialism. and no, getting a handful of candidates like AOC elected over the course of a few decades doesn’t show that you can. It actually proves the opposite point.
Today’s Democratic Party is more conservative than ever so all of you claiming we can convert are either incredibly naive, or deliberately trying to sabotage leftist movements.
The Democratic Party is run by deeply monied interests.
You ever seen proof for this or did you just hear it and it sounded right?
Today’s Democratic Party is more conservative than ever so all of you claiming we can convert are either incredibly naive, or deliberately trying to sabotage leftist movements.
Lmfao the Democratic Party used to be the part of Slavery and Segregation, and then what do you know, one of those party flips you literally mentioned happened and they became the ones spearheading the fight for civil rights in Congress. I see no reason the same can't happen around capitalism.
