Ah right over my head haha....I usually get people calling me a tankie or socialist or fascist or whatever I lose track...im just your run of the mill European lefty in reality.
Opposing viewpoints are fine. Disingenuous viewpoints that conveniently show the egregious fallacies of that viewpoint and ignore them when pointed out deserve all the criticism they get.
And we know what one specific viewpoint we're talking about. Lemmy is so deeply infested with it now with the exact same bend that it's a disgustingly obvious disinformation campaign and voter suppression tactic.
Old people's vote is vastly more difficult to suppress. Old people go vote, the youth though? Just tell them shits fucked and their vote doesnt matter and they eagerly give up and sit home.
It’s normal to view wild ideas like troves of automated users with some skepticism. But consider: Foreign entities would likely have a huge incentive to destabilize domestic elections. If you were them, and had plenty of spare personnel, and A.I. resources…what would you do?
If I were Russia or China and I had the ability to influence US elections, I would try to stabilize the country. I'd want someone predictable who I can negotiate with and reasonably expect to have agreements last more than 4 years. This is what Putin said to Tucker, by the way, explaining why he'd prefer Biden over Trump, so that he can negotiate a lasting treaty. China, with all its economic ties to the US, would likely feel the same (though with all of Biden's jingoism and saber-rattling, I don't know that there's much difference from that perspective).
Geopolitics is not a zero-sum game, and the world is more complex than moustache-twirling cartoon villains. Destabilizing the US means the most militarized country in the world acting completely unpredictably and lashing out randomly to distract from problems at home.
Also, like, it's easy to make a bot but it's harder to make a bot that actually sounds like a human being and is able to make coherent arguments. Throwing around accusations based purely on a person's stance, even when the format isn't bot-like at all, is pure paranoia. It's just a way to categorically dismiss everything you disagree with without consideration.
Also also, what about the US intelligence community? Surely they'd have both means and motive to influence political discussions, moreso on both than foreign governments. Why aren't you concerned about that? Or what about the possibility of corporations hiring people to say stuff? Wouldn't it be way easier for entities that are based on America who could hire Americans directly?
It's really a nonsense belief that falls apart under scrutiny. But what it really is is a symbolic belief. It's obviously not true but by saying it you can performatively demonstrate your loyalty to the US government and hatred of the Other. There's no evidence for it and it's unfalsifiable.
AI doesn’t have to be used as an autoprompter. Paid workers can still review their output or use them for prompting.
If I were Chinese, I might suspect the US intelligence committee enacting foreign influence. But locally, they want functioning government so they get paid.
Also, besides the over-the-top insults, note this guy’s account is new.
Russia already interfered with the 2016 election, so they disagree with you.
Well, you asked what I would do. I don't think it's rational for Russia to destabilize the US right now which is consistent with Putin's current stated position. Of course he could easily be lying, and he did support Trump in the past. It's possible that he's consistently pro-Trump, but it's also possible that his priorities changed based on changing circumstances, or that his perception of Trump changed after seeing him in office. It's impossible to know what's going on in his head, but it is possible to speculate based on what would benefit him and what he's said.
AI doesn’t have to be used as an autoprompter. Paid workers can still review their output or use them for prompting.
Convenient! That means that you can accuse anyone you disagree with of being a bot, regardless of evidence! I imagine that's much easier than engaging with conflicting ideas.
But locally, they want functioning government so they get paid.
A government doesn't have to be particularly well-functioning in order to afford to pay it's spies. Unless we're talking about total collapse and balkanization of the US, they're still getting paid. In the meantime, they're free to persue whatever agenda they want with no oversight, and even when they do get caught, not only are they not punished or stopped, but whoever exposed the crime becomes an enemy of the state and is hunted to the ends of the earth.
Also, besides the over-the-top insults, note this guy’s account is new.
My cashier at the grocery store was wearing reflective glasses (clearly this means they're a lizard person hiding their slit pupils), my barber asked me how my day was going (clearly he's an FBI agent collecting data about my life) and a person I disagreed with online had a new account (clearly a paid agent of a foreign government).
Tell me, how long have you had these sorts of beliefs?
Unless you've got evidence that James Comey works for the FSB, I'm not sure how this miniscule ad buy sank Hillary ten points in the polls from October.
Disingenuous viewpoints that conveniently show the egregious fallacies of that viewpoint and ignore them when pointed out deserve all the criticism they get.
Nice try, Russia. But I'm not falling for it.
And we know what one specific viewpoint we’re talking about.
you don't have to, reddit refugee's have been lobbying the entire lemmyverse to institute site-wide lemmy instance bans that will end up making this happen whether you want it or not; guaranteeing that lemmy sites will turn into echo chamber mini reddits but with far fewer users and very little content
Simping for any fascist that critizes America (correctly or otherwise) because they simply can not comprehend that America Bad Does Not Mean America's Opponents Good?
You'd think, but after that man vs bear thing I realized this place can be just as bad. Some instances are tolerant, but other seem to be more combative and less tolerant. The only benefit here is that I can block the less tolerant instances and people more easily.
I wonder if that's not cherry picking because the man v bear argument was literally designed to initiate controversy and discussion, it's a very polarizing question.
The choice may have been controversial, but the number of men telling women they are being stupid and irrational for picking the bear was unnecessary. Not to mention that it totally explained why women pick the bear.
Actual context because the other comment (e: the prettybunnys one) is clearly showing some bias:
!politicalmemes is constantly in turmoil against itself regarding some US electoral stuff. About once per thread (no joke) an argument gets to a point where one person accuses the other of not human because they just can't fathom how different their positions are. This also spreads to other communities but I generally find !politicalmemes to be the primary source.
(Disclaimer: while funny, don't do this kind of attack without real evidence; it's generally frowned on by mods as uncivil.)
Truly. Especially on platforms where we can't see each other's faces to remind each other we exist and might or might not have had coffee this morning.
Not denying there are bots on here of course, there definitely are, just quite a few less than the average edgy political swearing session would lead you to believe.
