Bobmighty ,

Oh look, more both sides trash slapped on top of someone else's work. Lazy fucks can't even propagandize properly.

Asafum ,

It's not really propaganda when it's true, at least not in the negative sense of "false manipulative information." If it wasn't true we'd already have it. Republicans don't have complete control everywhere, and there are states where Democrats have complete control and they don't do it because corporations have complete control over most Democrats.

"We" have like a handful of actual progressives in the entirety of our government, state or otherwise.

Liz ,

Let's break that shit up!

Approval voting and proportional representation! So long as we have single-seat elections using choose-one voting, we'll be stuck with two parties.

Sotuanduso ,
@Sotuanduso@lemm.ee avatar

I'm so glad to see more people around here realizing this.

Dippy ,
@Dippy@beehaw.org avatar

The democrats have been trying to raise minimum wage for idk 15 years now, they just haven't been given a functional enough majority to make it happen at the national level, though they have absolutely done so at the state level. I think your complaint might be misdirected, and could better apply to the fundamental structure of our bicameral legislature, and especially at the filibuster rule that is getting increasingly unpopular with senators themselves. When the filibuster is gone sometime in the next 6 years I expect, you will see a noticeably more functional senate.

Thcdenton ,

REEEEEEEEE

TrickDacy ,

bOtH fUcKiNg SiDeS is an attitude that can suck my wang

NutWrench ,
@NutWrench@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, subby. We get it. "Both sides are bad." But one side is boring corporatists who don't give a crap and the other side is 100% concentrated evil fascists, authoritarians and religious nutjobs. And while that's a choice between the lesser of two evils, it's not a difficult one.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

Corporations pay evil fascists to be evil fascist so you could choose "lesser evil"

CyberEgg ,

Minimum wage works. Here is an article from the german newspaper FAZ (leans economically right) that presents a study that shows the low income sector has shrunk since the implementation of minimum wages.
Germany before had one of the biggest low income sectors in the western world.
And no, the unemployment rate did not skyrocket. In fact, Germany is as close to full employment as it gets.

Varyk ,

This is incorrect and lazy.

mellowheat ,

You need to learn a skill that leads to a living wage. Demanding politicians to directly do that is pointless, they are absolutely unable to give you that. The only thing they can directly do is set a minimum wage, which is essentially a lie. It doesn't actually give you a minimum/living wage, instead it makes you completely unemployable if your wage level is between 0-(minimum wage).

As u/nomad mentioned, demanding structures that make getting an education easier or give you safety nets when things go to shit, or basic income/negative tax rates for low incomes is something politicans can do. But don't demand stupid things like minimum wage, they might actually do those.

olivebranch OP ,

Sure, it is my fault that even though there is enough food and most of the farming is automated, I still need to work for it because I don't own the land.
We shouldn't ask them to fix it for us, they never will. We need to take control of the land that feeds us.

mellowheat ,

I don't know you, but I can guess: it's almost never the individual's fault. But we should still look for efficient solutions, not populist non-solutions.

olivebranch OP ,

UBI is very efficient. Efficient for the working class, not so much for the capitalists.

mellowheat ,

I agree on UBI. That would be a good solution.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Lmmfao, so you're against minimum wage claiming it's a non-solution (and also that some workers must gain further education to even "deserve" it) while advocating UBI, which is a solution on the exact same level as minimum wage is - the level that still allows capitalists to exploit the labour of others for profit (except with UBI, it is the government compensating them from the tax pot, either way, it's working people paying the highest price - freedom).

Never mind that the meme doesn't offer it up as a solution to anything, but more of a bare minimum that neither democrats nor republicans will give, because, and this is the point the meme is actually making which seems to have gone completely over your head - both democrats and republicans work for capitalism, not you.

Truth is, you're just here to flex your "economist" muscles, but instead you're just spewing clueless yet confident incorrectness all over the place.. 😂

Overspark ,

Not sure what you have against minimum wage, it works well in other countries (I'm from the Netherlands). Obviously it doesn't solve everything by itself, but it's definitely a valuable part of a range of measures to treat people fairly. It's a fantasy that everyone can be educated to a level above minimum wage.

mellowheat ,

Not sure what you have against minimum wage,

Having bit more than basic education in economics, I suppose.

It’s a fantasy that everyone can be educated to a level above minimum wage.

Is it more or less a fantasy than the fantasy that every employer is able to pay the minimum wage?

olivebranch OP ,

If company can't pay it's workers a living wage, that company shouldn't exist.

mellowheat ,

Indeed. That's exactly what will happen. And then people whose wage level is below the minimum wage will be unemployed.

olivebranch OP ,

And should be given welfare check.

mellowheat ,

Or UBI as we seemed to agree on other part of the thread. Either of these are better solutions than minimum wage.

CyberEgg ,

Minimum wage works. Here is an article from the german newspaper FAZ (leans economically right) that presents a study that shows the low income sector has shrunk since the implementation of minimum wages.
Germany before had one of the biggest low income sectors in the western world.
And no, the unemployment rate did not skyrocket. In fact, Germany is as close to full employment as it gets.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Ah, got it, so all our problems are the fault of those pesky workers wanting to afford to survive, and not those who refuse to function unless they're exploiting others..
Makes perfect sense, "economist".. 🙄😂

DeepGradientAscent ,
@DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

Is it more or less a fantasy than the fantasy that every employer is able to pay the minimum wage?

If you need staff, but can't afford to pay them adequately, but also can't run it on your own, your business isn't viable, and you suck at math and pricing your goods and service(s).

Prunebutt ,

I'm afraid that it's really only a tiny bit more than basic education. Empiric studies refuted the negative effect of minimum wage on employment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4epQSbu2gYQ

rynzcycle ,

These folks seem to have a different understanding than you.

Specifically:

Since as many as 10 percent of the lowest-wage workers leave or start jobs every month, any decrease in the number of full-time equivalent jobs will mean that some workers will take more time finding a new job, or will work fewer hours. But many of these workers may still see their annual earnings rise because of their wage increase.

gigachad ,

You need to learn a skill that leads to a living wage. Demanding politicians to directly do that

This is a perfect example of traditional neoliberal rhetoric, attributing success solely to individual effort and downplaying structural obstacles. It operates under the assumption that everyone has equal opportunities for success, which is simply not the case. This ideology perpetuates the existence of a low-wage sector for those who may not have had access to the same educational opportunities, such as migrants, single parents, and others facing systemic barriers. The American Dream, often touted as a symbol of success through hard work, is a myth perpetuated by neoliberalism. It is important not to buy into the narrative that one's circumstances are solely their own fault. Statistics show that social mobility is much lower in the US compared to many European countries, which further disproves the idea that hard work alone guarantees success.

Nomad ,

Don't ask your government for a living wage. Or your employer. An education that gives you leverage to negotiate a living wage tough... that's totally a governments responsibility and in its range of possibility. Everything else is a social subsidy which is fine as long as you call it by its name which is disability pay and unemployment pay. Ask your government for that too.

shyguyblue ,

Democrats keep trying to increase minimum wage, read a fucking News source.

olivebranch OP ,

Sure they do. Keep believing, any day now...

NateNate60 ,

My home state of Oregon mandates a minimum wage of $13.20 in rural areas and $15.45 in the Portland metro area, and it adjusts to inflation. Oregon has been governed by Democrats for years. Thanks to these and other laws, I can go down to a McDonald's and get a job that pays $16-17 an hour to start in my city. TriMet in Portland is always advertising a $28 starting wage for bus drivers (no CDL) up to $37 after three years. Rent in my city is $800-900 for a one-bedroom flat with excellent free public transit and fair bikeability. Fuel prices are reasonable. We have strong protections for tenants against abusive landlords. Strong anti-discrimination laws. Everyone has paid sick days. No regressive sales tax. Working-class people can afford a roof over their heads and decent food on the table.

Check out the neighbouring state minimum wages.

  • Washington (Democratic government): $16.28
  • California (Democratic government): $16.00
  • Nevada (divided government): $12.00
  • Idaho (Republican government): $7.25

But yeah, keep harping on about how both parties are the same and that Democrats don't do more to help the working man.

olivebranch OP ,

Isn't California full of homeless people?

shiroininja ,

The problem is, we need caps on profit margins on necessities, and to stop the making of things we need for basic survival investment opportunities.

But that would be difficult to get done. So they go for the low hanging fruit of wages, which never permanently solve anything because they’ll just keep raising prices under this scamflation cycle we’ve been in since COVID.

Viking_Hippie ,

When all it takes to stop them is the nonbinding opinion of an unelected advisor, are they really trying, though?

explodicle ,

Have you tried voting harder this midterm?

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