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eatham , in Driving directions in Europe, 1922
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Mixed?

milicent_bystandr ,

If driving North, drive on the right. If driving South, drive on the left. Easy.

eatham ,
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Sounds fine, I'll do that if I go to Spain

Anticorp , in Driving directions in Europe, 1922

Mixed? MIXED?

BigDiction ,

Criss-Cross!!!

Anticorp ,

Jump!

bionicjoey ,
milicent_bystandr ,

Ok wow

edgemaster72 , in Driving directions in Europe, 1922
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How does "mixed" work? Variations at the local level? People just ignoring the rules and doing what they like? Or is this a joke that I'm too American to get?

Also, I can definitely tell those colors apart for left and mixed super easy, I totally know which ones are which, just don't ask me to prove it.

sjmarf OP , (edited )
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Italy, Spain and Austria are in purple. “Mixed” means that there was a mix of left and right in various regions of the country.

abysmalpoptart , (edited )

I think the question is asking for an explanation of how that is possible that some areas are right and some are left within the same country. Does the local government decide (city, state, etc), or is it something else, and why.

Additionally, they seem to be partially color blind, since they can't differentiate the purple from blue.

Edit:
Copying my other comment here, based on some light Internet research which may or may not be accurate.

Austria was apparently split based on which part of the country was controlled by Napoleon, and this lasted for quite awhile, though a few sources cite different lengths of time for the mixed driving laws. I wanted to use a local source here but it was paywalled.

Also, apparently Italy and Spain (and Canada?) changed from left side to right side drive in the 1920s, so this probably reflects that change in Europe.

abysmalpoptart , (edited )

Comments like these remind me that so many maps are super unfriendly to the color blind, which has to be annoying to so many people

Edit:

Didn't realize this was specifically in 1922, so it looks like it is probably due to a combination of war/control and legal changes.

Austria was apparently split based on which part of the country was controlled by Napoleon, and this lasted for quite awhile, though a few sources cite different lengths of time for the mixed driving laws. I wanted to use a local source here but it was paywalled.

Also, apparently Italy and Spain (and Canada?) changed from left side to right side drive in the 1920s, so this probably reflects that change in Europe.

guy ,
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This is a 1922 map though, not current

abysmalpoptart ,

Yeah i totally missed that, edited my edits. Thanks!

Chainweasel ,

I assume the traffic just moved slow enough at that point in time that the rule was "make way" when you saw another vehicle rather than "always stick to this particular side".

Again, this is just an educated guess and have absolutely nothing to back up my assumptions.

Norgur ,
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If you don't know stuff about a topic... how can a guess be "educated"?

Redacted ,
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"I am educated and this is my guess."

KISSmyOSFeddit ,

"OK, I may only be educated in underwater basket weaving, but still..."

Norgur ,
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Now I want to be educated in underwater basket weaving!

Chainweasel ,

Sorry, I'll just present my assumptions as fact next time.

whoreticulture ,

I think the point is that it's just a guess, not an educated guess.

randomaccount43543 , in Driving directions in Europe, 1922

Italy and Spain be like: drive however you want

bobs_monkey ,

Austria: guess we don't matter

Norgur ,
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That's because they don't. Greetings from Germany.

Hawk ,

Didn't even realize this was about 1922

edgemaster72 , in Canada population masses
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Anyone else find it weird there's 4 red canadas and only 2 each white/blue/yellow? Why not a couple green canadas instead of the extra reds?

synae ,
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Can't answer why they chose the colors they did at the frequency they did, but this is why only four colors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem

Deceptichum , in When did women get the right to vote in europe - Switzerland only in 1971, and one of its canton: 1984
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1902 in Australia. It’d have been earlier but we weren’t a country until the year before.

meathorse ,

And 1893 in New Zealand - Southern Hemisphere Power Couple baby!

Deceptichum ,
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NZ always copying Australia!

Love youse guts though

Not_mikey ,

I know rural western states in the u.s. like Montana gave women the right to vote early since there gender ratios was heavily male and they wanted to attract more women to the state. Australia was probably in a similar frontier stage at that point so I wonder what there gender ratios were then.

marine_mustang ,

You’re probably thinking of Wyoming. Wikipedia: The first state to grant women the right to vote had been Wyoming,[6] in 1869, followed by Utah[7] in 1870, Colorado in 1893, Idaho in 1896, Washington[8] in 1910, California[9] in 1911, Oregon[10] and Arizona[11] in 1912, Montana in 1914, North Dakota, New York,[12] and Rhode Island[13] in 1917, Louisiana,[14] Oklahoma,[15] and Michigan[16] in 1918.[17]

Nationwide in the US, it was 1920.

Spendrill , in When did women get the right to vote in europe - Switzerland only in 1971, and one of its canton: 1984

Pero no

Women's suffrage in Francoist Spain and the democratic transition was constrained by age limits, definitions around heads of household and a lack of elections. Women got the right to vote in Spain in 1933 as a result of legal changes made during the Second Spanish Republic. Women lost most of their rights after Franco came to power in 1939 at the end of the Spanish Civil War, with the major exception that women did not universally lose their right to vote. Repression of the women's vote occurred nevertheless as the dictatorship held no national democratic elections between 1939 and 1977.

sharkfucker420 , in When did women get the right to vote in europe - Switzerland only in 1971, and one of its canton: 1984
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Wonder what else happened in 1917

CraigeryTheKid ,

WW1 is my guess? The men were busy, so to get things passed they added them other half of humans.

(Busy... Or dead that is)

sharkfucker420 ,
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I was referring to the october revolution in jest

bionicjoey , in When did women get the right to vote in europe - Switzerland only in 1971, and one of its canton: 1984

Makes sense. The suffrage movement was pretty closely tied to the depopulation of men caused by WW1&2. Since Switzerland didn't participate, they would have been insulated from the societal forces that brought about women's suffrage.

mondoman712 , in When did women get the right to vote in europe - Switzerland only in 1971, and one of its canton: 1984
bionicjoey , in Canada population masses

Pretty sure this is outdated. It shows 10 Canadas-worth of population, but Canada's population has been growing proportionally faster than the US. Canada recently was estimated to have crossed the line of 40 million and the US has 330 million, so it should be fewer than 10 Canadas-worth. It's still weird to me because most of my life I was taught Canada had a population of about 33 million.

Aremel , in Canada population masses

I'm not sure I understand. Are these shapes Canadian provinces?

bionicjoey ,

No, it's just dividing up the US into slices of equal population.

JimmyBigSausage OP ,

Equal geographic US population areas equivalent to Canada’s total population.

Blaze , in Male to female suicide ratio by country
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Hello,

Didn't we all move to !map_enthusiasts ?

sjmarf OP ,
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I didn’t know about that community, but I also don’t see why I shouldn’t post here? The beauty of the Fediverse is that there can be many places that serve the same purpose.

potentiallynotfelix , in Male to female suicide ratio by country
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This is confusing as shit

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

Why? The red and orange are close in color, otherwise it shows if it is green in color, more women commit suicide than men, then the ratio goes up by color

potentiallynotfelix ,
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You needed to explain that for it to make sense

gamermanh ,

That's the point of the color bar on the bottom, a part of any good graph

potentiallynotfelix ,
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The color bar means nothing without any label.

gamermanh ,

The numbers, right there on the bar, and the text at the top of the image.

"male to female suicide ratio" and then the numbers 1-10, it even explains that it's (men's suicides / women's suicides) so anyone who doesn't know what a ratio is can enjoy as well

okamiueru ,
  • 1: same number of men and women
  • 2: twice as many men, as women
  • 3: three times as many... Etc
  • x: x times as many men

Does this help?

Conyak ,

It does but if it was good it wouldn’t need an explanation.

okamiueru ,

The title explains it... If it isn't clear by that, it explains what that means in the text below. That my explanation was necessary is not really the fault of the infographic

tweeks ,

If it is green then they have the same average right? 1:1. But in this graph it would be difficult to show when more women committed suicide, which might nowhere be the case.

Or you'd get 0.5 with a color match, for example.

Cryophilia ,

Women literally never commit suicide at the same rate or less, that's kind of the point.

remer ,

Are you colorblind?

Cryophilia ,

See now, when I say lemmy users are the dumbest bunch of people I've ever seen outside of YouTube comments, people say I'm being too harsh. But this comment is currently at +45.

shneancy ,

it is not a matter of intelligence to want to understand an info graphic without need to put work in it

Cryophilia ,

If you can't understand it at first glance, that's a skill issue.

shneancy ,

it's probably foolish to get into an argument with someone who thinks themselves better than me, but i'm bored so

in what world, do you read the word "ratio" then see "7" and instantly go "ah yes, 7/1 can also be seen as 7:1", instead of being confused for a bit because you expected a ratio

Cryophilia ,

It...specifically explains the part that you were confused about. Right there, below the title.

shneancy ,

you literally have to additionally imagine the rest of the ratio anyway. I know dividing 7 by 1 gives you 7, but just a 7 is not a ratio

i give up, you either think yourself better than everyone to the point of refusing to acknowledge how the info graphic presents its information in an unintuitive way, or are OPs alt dying on this hill trying to defend your info graphic

Cryophilia ,

I know dividing 7 by 1 gives you 7, but just a 7 is not a ratio

Does this prevent you in any way from comprehending the image? It takes more effort to parse out what you just said than it takes to understand the drawing. I still don't understand why it's relevant but that's beyond the point.

The image title could have said "MALE SUICIDES VS FEMALE SUICIDES (SKABADOO BANANAS WITH PAUL LEMON)" and you should still be able to immediately understand that farther right = more male suicides

Hell you should be able to understand the gist of the image without even having any numbers on the bottom, just "less" on the left and "more" on the right.

shneancy ,

seriously, are you deliberately acting like this or do you really not see how the way information is presented is not clear?

Cryophilia ,

I mean you can keep saying that but it doesn't change the fact that you should have paid more attention in school

thesporkeffect , in Male to female suicide ratio by country

I have no way to know the lived experience of women, but I have observed since about 4 years of age that the buck stops with me. I, and I suspect the vast majority of men, have no backstop - If I have any problem that I can't fix myself, or can't pay money to get assistance with, I am fucked.

I hear anecdotally that women are more likely to tell people about suicidal ideation... Does this imply that women have better results using social networks to move past the stressors or illness behind that ideation?

Best case if I was feeling like I couldn't bear to keep living and told someone, maybe a family member would have me committed for my own good. Then after the imprisonment, I am also unemployed and still have no one with the bandwidth to help me deal with whatever issues I was having.

huginn ,

Afaik suicide attempt rates are 2-3x more common in women than men. Men are just more likely to choose methods that are more deadly.

abigscaryhobo ,

Not to belittle it on either side but I do wonder what causes that disparity. Is it that men plan it more thoroughly or have access to more dangerous methods? Do women choose methods that, unintentional or not, can be backed out of more easily? Are women more likely to report a failed attempt than men? If that 2-3x factor is true, then why don't we see similar numbers of idk completion? I hesitate to say success because it is very much not a success to commit suicide, there are always other options, even if they're not perfect.

agamemnonymous ,
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I've heard the claims that women generally opt for less effective methods because they're more likely to want to leave an opportunity to back out, or try to avoid leaving a messy corpse. I have not data here, these are simply claims I've heard.

AnalogyAddict ,

I've heard the latter, as in even in death women are thinking about others.

Anecdotally, I've heard that almost universally. Every woman or girl I know who has chosen not to commit suicide, someone having to find their corpse factored highly in their reasons.

clearleaf ,

Someone being there to find them in the first place might be a factor in all this.

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