Fedora kde spin, kubuntu (ubuntu but with kde), kde neon (kde's distro). I've never used neon or kubuntu as a daily driver (just when I was looking for a distro) although they are supposed to be quite good, but I use fedora gnome as a daily driver and fedora kde should be fairly similar. You can also use distrochooser to find a distro that suits.
I'm using Manjaro because SuSE Tubleweed didn't want to install that day. People like to hate on Manjaro but I honestly don't know why - the defaults are fine and I very rarely have issues despite using software from the AUR
It has been 442d 15h 07m 53s since Manjaro !$%&?*# up.
So a year and a half? That's not all that bad really. And that time it was a (admittedly bloody stupid) cock up involving the SSL certificate of their website not of the distro itself
Well, you've heard about it now so I fully expect you to take up the crusade like you have against manjaro, unless you're biased/tribalist.
Also pretty disingenuous to compare a single incident of being hacked with a pattern of sloppiness and negligence.
No it's not, lol. Being infected with malware is worse than anything the Manjaro team has done. If you disagree, then you're just not worth taking seriously.
Let's be honest though, you're not worth taking seriously because you just do what you think will make you look good in front of your peers.
One is significantly worse than the other. Getting hacked is significantly worse than anything the Manjaro team did. My point is that what happened to Linux Mint was worse than anything that happened to Manjaro, but people like you never get up in arms about it.
You might want to brush up on your reading comprehension if this is difficult for you to understand.
Why? Because after a series of negligent incidents spanning multiple years, a couple of which impacted the AUR for everyone they've gone a year and a bit without another major incident?
Again, EndeavourOS exists -- all Manjaro does for you is hold back packages making things unstable.
I'm using it as a linux distro, which I then use to do things on my computer that I actually want to do like work and play games and browse the internet! I used the installer once and I seem to recall it was fine (though I'm not keen on the tepid green they chose as a colour scheme).
I'm obviously not asking what you do on a computer.
Did Manjaro magically install itself on your computer one day? Or did you choose it from a selection of dozens of other distributions that can do everything you described above?
I chose it because, as I said, Manjaro and SuSE Tumbleweed were the two KDE-focused rolling release distros of which I was aware (not KDE as an afterthought like Fedora or Kubuntu) , and SuSE didn't want to install that day. I'm honestly not sure why we're even still having this argument!
Not really, no. You've told me why you think Manjaro is bad, but all you've told me about Endeavour is that it's a) better than Manajro for unspecified reasons, and b) it;s Arch with a nicer installer yet somehow doesn't have any of the problems you accuse Manjaro of, despite you claiming (for again unspecified reasons) that is the prime reason for choosing Manjaro as well
I actually have mentioned all that, but let me summarize it for you:
Both are Arch-based, but have an easy to use graphical installer.
Manjaro holds back packages for 2 weeks from the Arch repos. That causes stability and security issues. The maintainers have also demonstrated a clear pattern of negligence that impacts the whole Arch ecosystem.
EndeavourOS does not hold back packages. They also haven't broken the AUR twice.
That's it. Should be pretty clear why EndeavourOS is the better recommendation.
Again you seem to think the only point of Manajro or Endeavour are to make it easier to install Arch. Plus you have offered no reason to use Endeavour over Arch
Please note I have not noticed stability or security issues to a greater degree than I have on any other distro that isn't ultra-stable (e.g. Debian Stable)
Again you seem to think the only point of Manajro or Endeavour are to make it easier to install Arch.
It is.
Plus you have offered no reason to use Endeavour over Arch
Yes I did -- it has a GUI installer. That's the only reason.
Please note I have not noticed stability or security issues to a greater degree than I have on any other distro that isn't ultra-stable (e.g. Debian Stable)
Again you seem to think the only point of Manajro or Endeavour are to make it easier to install Arch.
It is.
Right, I'm done. I can't be bothered to argue with this level of absolute mind-numbing stupidity any more. Please never say anything to anyone ever again.
Also I've just actually looked at EndeavourOS' website and it says very clearly front and centre that it's focused on the terminal, which is entirely not what OP was even asking for. It might be a fine distro, I don't know, I've never used it or checked how many years it is since they cocked up, but it doesn't present itself as a KDE focused distro which is what OP (and I) want!
I've been using this for a few months now. It's really good. A normie might want to look in to Slowroll though for extra stability. Is Slowroll even out yet?
If you go with kubuntu you'll be using snaps by default (which can be removed entirely with some tweaking) and they aren't actually good (as with the recent steam issues)
Fedora Kinoite, specifically the version from universal-blue.org.
It comes with all codecs (and even baked in Nvidia-driver if you want!).
Why that and not the normal (mutable) Fedora Workstation KDE spin?
Very simple by default. You basically only "own" your home directory, the rest is indestructible and taken care of.
Has less bugs due to better reproducibility, and if something major should break, you can easily roll back without any waiting time (as opposed to Tumbleweed)
And you can even rebase to Bazzite, a gaming distro, that's based on the uBlue KDE version, or any other spin it you want cleanly
Its a hardened Variant of ublue kinoitr, but I tested it and especially using the "userns" variants, a lot works
flatpak
virtual machines
fingerprint sensor
"userns" means user namespaces, a technology used by browsers, flatpak and Podman/Docker/Toolbox/Distrobox to create Sandboxes, isolating processes. It is used by default on Fedora, so these variants are pretty much like regular Fedora.
Dont think a secure Distro is user-unfriendly. It works pretty normal, but is simply way more secure.
If you want to use Firefox or Torbrowser, install their binaries.
Fedora Kinoite is the first time that I felt at home (besides Arch). It feels so stable and I never have to mess with it. KDE is also at the point now where it feels genuinely better than Windows or Mac
Rolling release: openSUSE Tumbleweed
Semi-annual release: Fedora KDE Spin
LTS: Kubuntu (3 years), Debian (5 years), AlmaLinux (10 years)
I personally think semi-annual is where it's at. You get packages that are mostly up-to-date (and with Flatpak user-facing software is up-to-date anyway), and you don't have to fear that something will break/be incompatible with every small update.
I'm running TW and it's great. If you don't want a rolling release, OpenSUSE created Slowroll, that is supposed to release major updates every one or two months, which would probably be my go to if I were to start over.
Slowroll is experimental and it's still a rolling release that tracks tumbleweed. It might be less maintenance, but not necessarily more stable in terms of bugs. I've seen some people report pretty major issues with it in the last couple months.
Leap is the version you want if stability is your priority. You can even get the tumbleweed nvidia driver if you have an Nvidia card and want the latest driver. The only os I've used that was more stable than leap was debian. But Leap is much more flexible than Debian.
Yep ! From the official documentation of tumbleweed
Who should use openSUSE Leap instead of Tumbleweed?
While every effort is made to build them, at this point there is no guarantee to have all additional modules available in openSUSE Tumbleweed like for example, VMware or VirtualBox. And while the Packman Tumbleweed Essential repository attempts to deliver them there is no guarantee they will always succeed due to the incompatibilities with the quickly advancing Linux kernel. The problems with proprietary graphics drivers are similar and there is no guarantee they will work tomorrow, even if they do today. If you don't know how to compile your own additional kernel modules and you don't wish to learn or keep a very close eye on what is being up
dated, please don't use Tumbleweed.
I wasn't sure about the state of Slowroll. In terms of stability, Tumbleweed ist absolutely fine. It's the less frequent, but not super low frequent update cycle that's interesting to me. I could always just ignore updates on TW, but I've got the urge to run the updates if there are any.