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JoYo , in A clear victory for the free fediverse: Meta now says integrating with ActivityPub is "a long way out"
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Threads will only federate if they are required to by law.

variants , in Federation is stupid convince me otherwise.

I think the best part of federation is there are no islands, you can make an account on an instance and follow content from the rest of the fediverse, you can even host your own instance just for you and follow everything else

burndown , in A federated or FOSS variant of IMDB?

What's wrong with IMDB?

MMNT ,

It's owned by Amazon.

bloodfart , in PSA: Lemmy votes can be manipulated

Get rid of votes. They suck.

popemichael , in PSA: Lemmy votes can be manipulated
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You can buy 700 votes anonymously on reddit for really cheap

I don't see that it's a big deal, really. It's the same as it ever was.

Valmond ,

Over a houndred dollars for 700 upvotes O_o

I wouldn't exactly call that cheap šŸ¤‘

On the other hand, ten or twenty quick downvotes on an early answer could swing things I guess ...

PetrichorBias , in PSA: Lemmy votes can be manipulated

This was a problem on reddit too. Anyone could create accounts - heck, I had 8 accounts:

one main, one alt, one "professional" (linked publicly on my website), and five for my bots (whose accounts were optimistically created, but were never properly run). I had all 8 accounts signed in on my third-party app and I could easily manipulate votes on the posts I posted.

I feel like this is what happened when you'd see posts with hundreds / thousands of upvotes but had only 20-ish comments.

There needs to be a better way to solve this, but I'm unsure if we truly can solve this. Botnets are a problem across all social media (my undergrad thesis many years ago was detecting botnets on Reddit using Graph Neural Networks).

Fwiw, I have only one Lemmy account.

impulse ,

I see what you mean, but there's also a large number of lurkers, who will only vote but never comment.

I don't think it's unfeasible to have a small number of comments on a highly upvoted post.

simple ,
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Reddit had ways to automatically catch people trying to manipulate votes though, at least the obvious ones. A friend of mine posted a reddit link for everyone to upvote on our group and got temporarily suspended for vote manipulation like an hour later. I don't know if something like that can be implemented in the Fediverse but some people on github suggested a way for instances to share to other instances how trusted/distrusted a user or instance is.

cynar ,

An automated trust rating will be critical for Lemmy, longer term. It's the same arms race as email has to fight. There should be a linked trust system of both instances and users. The instance 'vouches' for the users trust score. However, if other instances collectively disagree, then the trust score of the instance is also hit. Other instances can then use this information to judge how much to allow from users in that instance.

fmstrat ,

This will be very difficult. With Lemmy being open source (which is good), bot maker's can just avoid the pitfalls they see in the system (which is bad).

Kolanaki , in Fediverse privacy nightmare?
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If you have concerns that your posts will be public on a public message board, you're kind of fucking stupid. It's like being concerned that you will be visible if you leave your house to go to the store.

JoYo , in petition: Defederate any instances that federates with threads proactivly , add threads.net on blocklists everywhere.
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threads will never federate.

simple , in petition: Defederate any instances that federates with threads proactivly , add threads.net on blocklists everywhere.
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I'm for blocking Threads. I'm not for blocking instances that support Threads. That's ridiculous, you'd just split the community and make the Fediverse irrelevant.

JoYo , in Rumors of a secret meeting under NDA between big Fediverse instance admins and Meta
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There seems to be a misunderstanding about NDAs.

Meta and twitter most certainly federate already.

Would you sign an NDA to learn how and where?

lunchboxhero , in is there a fediverse imgur?
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I think some sort of p2p solution would be really cool. You could basically allocate a certain amount of storage on your server and images would be stored and grabbed by peers as needed. Something like BitTorrent where multiple peers have the same content to reduce load. Not sure if it already exists or is even practically possible.

shreddy_scientist , in do you think the fediverse could replace popular social media
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It's more closely related to the initial intentions of the internet than most other social platforms. Ideally it could get things going back in the right direction again iif nothing else!

realcaseyrollins , in For my Fediversery, a reminder that NSA and CIA were probably on the fedi before you were
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@JoYo I'm not seeing anything in the article linking to the

JoYo OP ,
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it was a fork of identi.ca

drwho , in For my Fediversery, a reminder that NSA and CIA were probably on the fedi before you were
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NSA? Yes. CIA? Probably not. They don't have that kind of imagination. c.f., the internal parody of The Hunt for Red October they declassified about a decade ago.

JoYo OP ,
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fair, I think JWICS was for DoD only.

drwho ,
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I don't think JWICS is DoD only. In theory, any TLA or FLA that handles TS material, has a SCIF and a local JWICS LAN can't be hooked into the rest of the JWICS network.

JoYo OP ,
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I thought NSA had a completely different one called Tapioca.
/shrug

maegul , in Which Fediverse software would you recommend for long-form blog posts or photo hosting?
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So, lemmy is an option for running a blog. See it mentioned in the documentation here: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/users/06-other-features.html?highlight=blog#lemmy-as-a-blog.

There would be a few levels of complexity to it. But if you're hosting a lemmy instance already, it shouldn't be any trouble for you ... basically make yourself the only account but allow people to federate with your instance. Add your own modified front end too if you like (as lemmy has separate backend and front end software stacks AFAIU). Interestingly, I think it would be a cool project for people to work on ... a front end suitable for hosting a single (or even multi) user blog on the fediverse.

An additional option would be microblog: https://docs.microblog.pub/. It's a single-user fediverse platform written in python and relying on sqlite (which sounds to me like a nice sweet spot for single-user instances).

jax OP ,
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Ahh, I didn't get that far in the docs, but seeing as there are no (that I can tell) post limits, running a blog on Lemmy would work pretty well with a bit of a UI change.

maegul ,
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Yep, totally, there's search, sorting, comments etc, all in one backend.

A neat blog-focused front-end would actually be super awesome IMO. Many want to be on the fediverse but interact just through blogs. A sort of blogo-verse (not sphere). Lemmy might be the best foundation to make that happen.

KaKi87 ,
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Hi,

A neat blog-focused front-end would actually be super awesome IMO.

I so agree. Did you find any ?

At first I considered using the official Lemmy UI with custom CSS & JS injected, but versioning is still zero-based (0.y.z), which means breaking changes can happen at any time, and that can cause huge issues with customization.

Now I'm considering alternative clients, like Alexandrite, but it's unsupported despite being maintained.

Many want to be on the fediverse but interact just through blogs. A sort of blogo-verse (not sphere).

Did anyone achieve this yet, whether using Lemmy or something else ?

Thanks

maegul ,
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Well there are blogging platforms for the fediverse (ie they federate) I forget their names but in it sure WriteFreely is one.

Beyond that, Wordpress has integrations now with the fediverse which federate as user accounts. It seems to work ok, in that Iā€™ve seen blogs appear in mastodon. But one point of friction I think is how comments are federated. Maybe it works fine but Iā€™m key sure theyā€™ve made a choice to not federate comments from Wordpress to mastodon so thereā€™s context collapse.

Otherwise, the idea Iā€™m thinking of hasnā€™t been realised yet AFAICT. TBF, it would probably require more than a front end for lemmy, I suspect some backend features would be required too. Nothing too big Iā€™d think. But alas no. Still think itā€™s be cool!

maegul ,
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That being said, itā€™s not too hard to run a blog out of lemmy. Just start dedicated communities with moderator posting only and youā€™re good. Front end might be lacking in someway but that alone goes pretty far.

KaKi87 ,
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Yeah I already studied all federated blogging options, unfortunately none actually federate like true Fediverse apps.

I suspect some backend features would be required too

Hmm, there sure could be useful additions but I don't think it's missing anything required though, on the back-end.

The front-end, however, is far from being usable for a blog.

Front end might be lacking in someway but that alone goes pretty far.

Well, a Lemmy front-end, whether official or third-party, for a blog, makes sense for an existing Lemmy user, but for sure doesn't for anyone not knowing what Lemmy is, that's why customization is required on this part.

maegul ,
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Well, a Lemmy front-end, whether official or third-party, for a blog, makes sense for an existing Lemmy user, but for sure doesnā€™t for anyone not knowing what Lemmy is, thatā€™s why customization is required on this part.

Hmmm, at the risk of being annoying, Iā€™m wondering what youā€™re thinking of exactly. Iā€™m guessing something thatā€™s streamlined in a few ways, like without upvoting etc. and related sorting options? Probably a bit of a facelift too and some elements that make it clear what community/blog youā€™re looking at?

As Iā€™m writing this Iā€™m thinking that it would probably make sense to have a built in web view specifically for outsiders to see a community as a blog.

KaKi87 ,
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Iā€™m wondering what youā€™re thinking of exactly.

  • Removing Communuties, Create post, Create community from menu ;
  • Adding local communities directly to the menu, used as categories ;
  • Adding posts from a "pages community" directly to the menu, e.g. About me ;
  • Removing Trending communities and Trending/Local/All filters from the homepage ;
  • Removing Blocks, Languages, Show NSFW content, Blur NSFW content, Bot Account, Show Bot Accounts, Show Read Posts, Import/Export Settings from settings ;

without upvoting etc. and related sorting options?

No, these are useful.

Probably a bit of a facelift too and some elements that make it clear what community/blog youā€™re looking at?

Yes.

As Iā€™m writing this Iā€™m thinking that it would probably make sense to have a built in web view specifically for outsiders to see a community as a blog.

A blog-focused front-end, as you said. Either that, or customization of the official front-end (but not while unstable).

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