Unsure where to post but does anyone else think beehaw is s little too closed off?

Gamers_mate , 9 days ago

This is actually my first comment because I am new here but I like that about beehaw especially when it comes to defederating from the problematic instances.

renard_roux , 10 days ago

In short, and mirroring what seems to the general sentiment: no. I like it here, and I like the heavy moderation and intolerance towards intolerance 🙂

I've yet to see a Beehaw de-federation action that I disagree with.

apotheotic , 10 days ago

I don't feel like its too closed off, no, I appreciate how closed off it is!

averyminya , 10 days ago

No. I have a few fediverse accounts, Beehaw, Kbin, Leminal, SlrPnk, and 2 mastodon ones that I made cause I didn't know what would stick.

Beehaw is by far my favorite. It looks like most of my issues are already covered here. Lemmy.world specifically is so awful, for every 1-3 normal, chill people looking for a reddit alternative there's 5-10 powermods and powerusers who make it just unbearable. It's the same for quite a few others too, that at this point I can't even keep track.

In order of values based on curation, Beehaw, Kbin, Slpnk/Leminal. Beehaw needs no curation as it is curated, Kbin despite the issues lately has generally been great, a few users who act poorly but that's just a widespread thing online. It's really just been the spam accounts lately. Then... Instances that are federated with .world/etc like slrpnk and leminal, by default it's just so awful to read. Browsing not logged in on places? Oh man. The perspectives, rhetoric, and visible mod abuse is just so bad right now thanks to the U.S. political year, in some ways worse than Reddit pre-extreme corpo takeover.

Because of all of this, I really appreciate how easy Beehaw is. You can talk philosophy and have differences of opinion and it's not something that lingers. Beehaw, like a small community, has people you recognize and see around and I appreciate everyone I see here, and rarely have I disagreed. And I'm not coming from an echo-chamber perspective, but the way we carry ourselves. The snark here is minimal, humorous, and when it happens, seems warranted. When it isn't, genuine apology occurs. That's something that doesn't happen often. People put effort into comments, there's occasional one-liners which I'm guilty of myself when I'm just browsing or tired or it's just something that doesn't have much to go deep into.

So the way I see it, if someone wants something not closed off, it's not that hard to make an account and have it bookmarked. Beehaw is different, but I have the same usernames on my other ones (Wolf Shadowheart). I keep coming back to Beehaw.

blindsight , 9 days ago

Well said, and you touched on one of the things I like most about Behhaw, that people are actually willing to put effort into writing with sufficient depth to address complex topics authentically, and others are willing to read everything and respond in good faith, even when they disagree.

I browse Beehaw's somewhat-curated-by-defederation /everything quite frequently, too, and I rarely ever have any snarky replies to my comments. It's lovely. Granted, conversation threads are generally quite small, but I don't need an endless firehose of content, so that's not a problem.

I don't have any other Lemmy accounts to compare, but I didn't enjoy reading /everything from a Lemmy app that pulls from it's own feed instead of your logged-in instance feed. On Reddit, I mostly enjoyed smaller niche subs, and very few of the popular ones.

DreamyRin , 10 days ago

in all honesty, I don't really want to have to spend all my time blocking and curating when I just want to contribute when I can. I usually don't visit a ton of other lemmy instances, and the ones I do I don't really comment in, either. maybe I'm overly anxious and skittish, but at the same time, I'm 1) very much already tired and don't want to spend a ton of time curating a block list and 2) just trying to find a community to fit in where I'm comfortable.

I know I'm not the most active by far, but I don't want this community to open up just so we can have more content. more content to me doesn't always equal good content, I guess.

OpenStars , 10 days ago

This is what it seems like every instance admin has not wanted to acknowledge: that tolerating the intolerant will destroy us.

Fortunately v0.19.4 has some new features that look like they may help - particularly the ability to label a community with a warning, like : "⚠️ You are about to enter the cesspit of human behavior that actively defends genocide (by mods removing all contrary facts), so long as it is done by the Right people (Russia, or ironically also Left, China)."

It's like the tiniest step that could possibly be done, and it leaves the ability for Lemmy.ml users to place comments in every post across the Fediverse too - unlike a bona fide instance block, although to my knowledge there are no major instances that actually defederates from them.

Blaze , 10 days ago

It’s like the tiniest step that could possibly be done, and it leaves the ability for Lemmy.ml users to place comments in every post across the Fediverse too - unlike a bona fide instance block, although to my knowledge there are no major instances that actually defederates from them.

The fact that even Beehaw admins haven't defederated from them is probably an indication that their users are not that problematic.

OpenStars , 10 days ago

A reminder that this is not about Beehaw - this is about Rin, and their own personal preferences:

I’m 1) very much already tired and don’t want to spend a ton of time curating a block list and 2) just trying to find a community to fit in where I’m comfortable.

Each person may have their own idea as to what is "comfortable", for them. If Beehaw works fine just the way it is, then that's fantastic!

More broadly across the Fediverse though, individual users have to put in a lot of effort to curate their experience. e.g. not going to political communities is insufficient, when people (including myself:-D) bring up political matters or adjacent philosophies to many types of discussions - memes, about freedom to enjoy the Fediverse, technology, etc.

Blaze , 10 days ago

A reminder that this is not about Beehaw

We are on Beehaw, and you complained about the lack of instances defederating from Lemmy.ml.

OpenStars , 10 days ago

I made a tangential point, where some people are okay with having less content as a result of being defederated even from as large and central an instance as Lemmy.World - i.e. it's not always the amount of content so much as its quality - to then apply that same principle to the Fediverse at large.

Tolerance of the intolerant is not okay. As you try to bring in more people, some people will balk at coming and others already here will leave, if the experience seems unwelcoming to them.

People need to feel safe in the space they are in, or else they will not enjoy talking. I guess it may sound counterintuitive, but being intolerant - but only of the intolerant!! - actually increases engagement and participation, not the other way around. imho.

Powderhorn , 10 days ago

And you would be ... 🤣

I do kid. I enjoy that we have the options to dive into the deep end elsewhere or just hang out in a space where bullshit is quickly quashed. I'm here for discussion and to be active in ensuring this is a place I never find myself regretting joining.

Is it what everyone wants? Of course not, but that was never the intent of Beehaw to my knowledge. I'm glad you're happy here and hope you continue to feel that way. And, you know what? Fuck anyone who tells you not to be happy with what you have. This is not Beehaw- or Lemmy-specific, this is life. Never let anyone else bring you down for what you're comfortable with.

Kissaki , 10 days ago

I think it's not closed off enough, given that I regularly see accounts from other instances post comments that go against the goals and spirit set by Beehaw.

At the same time, I think we don't have enough of a new content stream. I don't think opening up is a good solution though. That would mean losing what sets Beehaw apart.

RamblingPanda , 10 days ago

Hey, I'm nice!

Dymonika , 10 days ago

Then keep it up!

RamblingPanda , 10 days ago

I'll try, thank you 💕

shortwavesurfer , 10 days ago

Personally, I go by the, if I don't want to see it, I block it. And that has worked out very well for me. Mind you, I am kind of in a good position because I don't have any kind of like mental health things that make me absolutely not capable of seeing some type of thing before blocking it. Like I can see some crazy shit and be like you know what that's fucked up I'm blocking that because I've seen it once I don't want to see it again.

Edit: From what I understand, you can transfer your block list if you ever move accounts. So with me, if I ever left my instance, I could just transfer my list of blocked communities and subscribe to communities and be just as at home on another instance as I am here.

OpenStars , 10 days ago

Yes it's in your settings, the Export/Import JSON file, easier done with a desktop - in case you ever need to give it a try! :-)

My problem is that I tend to keep up multiple accounts at a time, bc random server issues creep up (like Kbin.Social that I had to abandon; and then StarTrek got extremely slow and 75% of the time I try to make a comment it would fail). So probably I should make use of this feature more to keep the blocklists more updated:-).

luciole , 10 days ago

No. I came here for a nice place and I'm uninterested in instances that Beehaw defederated from and in banned users.

I subscribed to basically every Beehaw community plus some communities from federated instances, and I browse by "'Subscribed".

More activity would always be cool, but I don't miss doomscrolling through reposts and trolls on other platforms either so.

LallyLuckFarm , 10 days ago

I don't mind so much, to be honest. Like @TheRtRevKaiser said, I'm an old dog in a labcoat on the internet and asynchronous discussions aren't uncomfortable. I have an anonymous account elsewhere and I don't generally check it anymore, because I'm plenty happy with the conversations that do federate here. Besides, being here has definitely been good for my generalized terminally-online anxiety.

baggins , 10 days ago

No. I'm jacked off with all the crap that comes from Lemmy and the sooner that Beehaw drops Lemmy the better. So many bots and trolls there. If you're not a flag waving Hamas apologist you're a Trumper. It's a cesspit.

Blaze , 10 days ago

Even when Beehaw will switch to another platform, it will probably stay compatible with Lemmy (the way Mbin is).

I personally blocked all politics and news communities, found much less bots and trolls since then.

comicallycluttered , 10 days ago

I personally blocked all politics and news communities, found much less bots and trolls since then.

Same. It's a much more pleasant experience in general.

Gormadt , 10 days ago

Sounds like you picked the wrong instance for an alt account

I'd say if you pick one that isn't federated with Hexbear, some specific domains ending in .ml, and some of the other conservative ones you'll have a far better time around the fediverse.

Also don't be afraid to block people

Blaze , 10 days ago

some of the other conservative ones

Which instances are conservatives? Genuinely asking, when people ask me if there are conservatives on lemmy my only example is !conservative

Gormadt , 10 days ago

Specific instances are hard to find which is usually why I flex the block tool a lot around here. Blocking them when they start spewing their bullshit.

I can't think of any off the top of my head but I'd check the federated list of instances for some of the instances you see with large queer communities (like the one I'm posting from now) to get a general idea as us queer folk get hella targeted by conservatives online.

Blaze , 10 days ago

Indeed.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/instances

I just had the look, the most notorious one is burggit.moe, which is closing soon

Danterious , 10 days ago

I think that the best thing you could do is choose a different instance that is federated with more instances.

I remember the admins saying that they already conducted a survey of their users and a majority were fine with staying defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works where a majority of users and content is being made. So currently they probably are fine with where they are. It is a matter of what kind of space they are trying to create.

Also you if you appreciate the moderation here you can always choose an instance that federates with beehaw so you can keep using their communities which is where most of the moderation happens anyways.

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Blaze , 10 days ago

Good advice

Cube6392 , 10 days ago

So... Yes and no. Yes from the perspective that there can be a feeling of FOMO and some entire communities on the big instances that see a lot of activity that you can't access here. I use slrpnk.net to see those. But the thing is when I log into slrpnk (which is VERY well moderated) it doesn't take me long to find some horrible awfulness that has found a platform here in the fediverse. Genocide denial, alt right bullshit, authoritarian communist bullshit (which isn't even communism, GODDAMMIT), it's all out there right under the surface across some of the biggest Lemmy instances. Its bad enough it makes me not want to log into log in to see what's going on on Lemmy most days, so I don't. I probably check beehaw about once a week and slrpnk about once a month.

I'm very excited to see where sublinks goes and if they can put together a version of a federated link aggregator with moderation tools that work

sleepybisexual OP , 10 days ago

Yea. Lemmy is home to a lot of shitheads :c

OpenStars , 10 days ago

One thought is to try user blocking Lemmy.ml. Unlike an instance block a user one is not sufficient bc you can still view the comments, and I'm pretty sure that they can still downvote you (occasionally they have been known to coordinate mass downvoting campaigns on Matrix too, people say), so all it really does is block communities from those instances from showing in your All feed, and if someone replies to you then you won't receive a notification to that effect. Otherwise it's back to blocking users one by one...

I wish there was a major, known instance somewhere that defederated from Lemmy.ml. Even Kbin.Social does not though.

It will indeed be interesting to see how Sublinks will improve things.:-)

Gormadt , 10 days ago

Because of it being so closed off I've hopped instances

And honestly I'm probably going to hop again because having down votes disabled isn't very good IMO

Edit: 1 big thing though that I wish existed Lemmy wide would be if you have a comment or post removed (hell even bans) you get a message to your inbox. As it currently stands it just happens and unless you check mod logs you'll never know.

sleepybisexual OP , 10 days ago

Could say the same about mastodon,

How is blahaj zone?

Gormadt , 10 days ago

It's pretty chill in general and is well moderated

It's has the occasional instability day here and there but it gets sorted out pretty quick

They don't federate down votes and you can't give them out which IMO isn't the best

But I'd say it's a nice place overall

TheRtRevKaiser , 10 days ago

I don't really mind. I created an alt on a larger lemmy instance a while back to subscribe to meme communities, and to be quite honest the comments are really bad, frequently as bad or worse than Reddit. I think Beehaw is just aiming for something different than other instances. Then again, I'm old enough to have been part of forums where the pace of discussions was much slower than most aggregator style sites are today so it doesn't really bother me.

Powderhorn , 10 days ago

I've done the same and feel the same way. I'm still active on Reddit because I want to be an active part of helping people who have questions. I don't feel the larger Lemmy community wants that so much as to complain about things. I certainly have things to complain about in life, but I don't feel it's healthy for me to engage with spaces that are going to cause more issues than they resolve.