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Quexotic , in Anyone Else Noticing Increasingly Conservative Commentary from Outside Instances?
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Maybe it's appropriate and not just coincidence that I saw this post https://beehaw.org/post/14861248 so close to yours. Maybe it's an explanation for what you think maybe it's not who am I to know

hazelnoot , in Anyone Else Noticing Increasingly Conservative Commentary from Outside Instances?
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honestly, it feels like the Threadiverse is slowly turning into Reddit (in a bad way). There's so much toxicity and right-wing talking points all over the network. You can see it in nearly every community, on many different instances.

Lionir , in Anyone Else Noticing Increasingly Conservative Commentary from Outside Instances?
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Honestly, I agree. I've cleaned up the thread a bit but it still seems pretty nasty.

I've personally had the opinion that we should go for a more isolationist approach with an allow-list when we move away from Lemmy and into Sublinks. I think it's worth trying.

Personally, I really wish we could have an invite system, I feel like it'd be better than asking a friend to fill a form - that feels a bit rough. It would also encourage word of mouth and organic growth imo. And people tend to have likeminded friends so it would probably help form culture.

As a side note, I think we need some new blood in moderation teams, I think some people have moved on.

off_brand_ ,

Ah! I seem to have missed the sublinks-chatter. Good to hear there's an alternative in flight. I assumed after the money-related-tomfoolery that the talks to migrate to a new platform were on hold indefinitely.

UngodlyAudrey Mod ,
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I've always favored a smaller pool of federated servers. I know it sounds gatekeepy, but I'd go as far as not federating with any server that doesn't require an application to join. There's not that many Beeple, and it wouldn't take very much for someone hostile to our ideals to overwhelm us with sheer numbers. Just adding that little bit of friction should help immensely for maintaining our culture.

Of course, I don't expect this sentiment would be too popular, after all, there's a large contingent of users who want the biggest Threadiverse they can get. Furthermore, we'd get cut off from a bunch of communities if we did this. Perhaps we could consider a few more in house communities should we decide to go more isolationist.

BubbleMonkey ,
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If you go with the invite approach, I would desperately like to join you despite not being on beehaw itself at the moment. I was actually planning to sign up for the ultra-curated experience, after finding that both “uncurated” and “lightly curated” are not awesome for me, but then I came across this info a few days back, and figured I should hold off; Idk what your policy is at the moment for taking new users if you plan to move.

Increasingly I’m disenchanted with Lemmy as a whole, it doesn’t feel welcoming or communal, and would like to go with you when you move to a different fedi platform, but because I’m not part of your server now, I have no idea when that’s going to happen or anything. And I don’t want to miss out :(

BubbleMonkey , in Thrifters/Antiquers, what are your favorite finds?
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Nothing particularly special, but I like buying cheap all-metal $5 lamp bases and repainting them. Because holy shit are lamps expensive.

My favorite so far has a multi-spiral body with a leaf-shaped light diffuser under the bulb, which I painted with chameleon paints, so depending on the time of day/color of light it’s a variety of different colors (mostly purples, blues, and greens). It lives in my very bright living room for optimal effect.

nfld0001 , in Thrifters/Antiquers, what are your favorite finds?
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I found myself a copy of Nineteen Eighty-Four printed by Harcourt, Brace and Company for $20. It didn't have its dust jacket, but everything else about the book seemed quite fine. There isn't really much on the inside indicating specifics, but everything I found about it online would suggest that it's the first US hardcover edition from 1949. It has to be the oldest book in my collection so far and my favorite from a publishing standpoint.

Drusas , in Thrifters/Antiquers, what are your favorite finds?

I've gotten some really high quality clothing/outdoor gear from thrift shops. High end brands like Patagonia and such. And yes, they really do make better clothes than the cheap brands do.

Vodulas , in Thrifters/Antiquers, what are your favorite finds?

I got a 60s radial arm saw for free that still runs like a champ. The person I got it from mentioned that he built a sailboat with his dad using that saw. Super cool to still have it in use

LallyLuckFarm , in Thrifters/Antiquers, what are your favorite finds?
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I have H.G. Wells' The Outline of History three volume set - the 1940/41 edition - which I found for five bucks. They're my nerdiest treasures.

Thalestr , in Thrifters/Antiquers, what are your favorite finds?
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Scored a working Commodore desktop calculator for $25. It needed a light cleaning and I replaced the cracked battery tray but the electronics and VFD tubes work great.

storksforlegs , in Anyone Else Noticing Increasingly Conservative Commentary from Outside Instances?
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It's ramping up absolutely everywhere.

Even in niche hobby subreddits (the only subs I still use) keep shoehorning political takes. The trolls and bots are cranking it up everywhere, it's like they want it to be inescapable

all-knight-party , in Thrifters/Antiquers, what are your favorite finds?
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One time a few years ago in a goodwill I was in a section for just random house decoration crap and there was a small leather bag. For no particular reason I picked it up and realized it had something in it.

It was a (later tested) working Gameboy Color with no problems. Since they were only selling the bag it was marked for like 5 dollars. I bought that shit so hard. Still couldn't believe my luck.

knittedmushroom , in What is a hobby nobody else has done that you want to start?

Deep water version of your every day metal detecting. I know some companies already do salvage reclamation/research, but I'm talking about going hunting for smaller trinkets and seemingly "worthless" items in the eyes of corporations and research centers.

Only thing stopping me is I really don't want to be Oceangate 2 lol.

localhost , in Anyone Else Noticing Increasingly Conservative Commentary from Outside Instances?

The most recent example I’ve noticed is around the stuff with the Ladybird devs being weird about being asked to use inclusive pronouns, but it seems like a pattern.

You mean the thread where you out of nowhere called the maintainers "incels, transphobes, and racists" over singular instance of them using "he/him" as a gender-neutral pronouns in documentation and refusing to change it?

millie OP ,

See this post? This post is what I'm talking about. This is weird.

localhost ,

When I created an account here, I thought Beehaw is specifically a platform where throwing vitriol unnecessarily is discouraged.

Non-native speaker being stubborn about not using "they/them" in gender-neutral contexts (especially when most if not all of these weren't even about people) is not enough to label them as neither incel, transphobe, nor racist.

Intentionally mischaracterizing other human beings and calling them derogatory names that they don't deserve is, in my opinion, against the spirit of the platform.

millie OP ,

I'm not intentionally mischaracterizing anyone, or for that matter unintentionally mischaracterizing them.

My takeaway from reading the post and looking at their comments on Github is that the developers have a disdain for women, a disdain for trans folks, and a disdain for anyone who doesn't look like them. They do not want to have to think about anyone else at all, and they make it very clear.

I don't know what to tell you other than go read it yourself. If you don't come to the same conclusions, we're probably very different people who see the world very differently.

Personally, when I see the kinds of responses yourself and others have made to that topic of discussion, it feels to me like you haven't actually done any of the reading.

localhost ,

I have read the blog post that you've linked, which is full of exaggeration.

The developer rejected PR that changed documentation to use one instance of they/them instead of he/him, responded "This project is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics.", and then promptly got brigaded. Similar PRs were appearing and getting closed from time to time.

A satirical PR has been opened and closed for being spam - despite the blogger's commentary, it's abundantly clear that the developer didn't call the person opening the PR a "spam" (what would that even mean?).

The project also had code of conduct modified, probably due to the brigading, to essentially include the aforementioned "not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics or religious beliefs" line - I don't know what part of this is for the blogger a "white supremacist" language.

From what I can tell, this is all they've done. No racism, no sexism, no white supremacy. Would it be better if they just accepted the PR? Yes. Does it make the developer part of one of the worst groups of people that ever existed? No.

UngodlyAudrey Mod ,
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If you want to discuss the merits (or dismerits) of the Ladybird dev, I ask that both of you please keep it in the other thread. You're getting off topic here.

Lionir ,
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Bringing this topic back up here in this manner is really inappropriate.

localhost ,

Both threads appeared on my feed near one another and I figured it was on topic given that the other one is directly referenced in the main post here. If OP can reference another post to complain about hate, I think it's fair game for me to truthfully add that their conduct in the very same thread was also excessively hateful - how else are we to discuss the main subject of this post at all otherwise?

Penguincoder ,
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Two wrongs do not make a right. Ad hominem is not a discussion.

intensely_human ,

This isn’t about establishing a right, but providing information on a possible path out of the hatred: self reflection and self improvement, to start with one’s own hatred.

It’s the most reliable path out, because a person actually can change themselves.

intensely_human , in Anyone Else Noticing Increasingly Conservative Commentary from Outside Instances?

I really would be disappointed to see every single thread here slowly inundated with pettiness and hate.

Then maybe reconsider your default response to outside views of:

blocking them all individually or reporting particularly grievous examples

Just a thought

auk , (edited ) in Anyone Else Noticing Increasingly Conservative Commentary from Outside Instances?

I made !pleasantpolitics for this exact reason. I wouldn't describe the influx of shit opinions as exclusively conservative, but it's definitely an influx, and it definitely requires some type of different reaction than the four unsatisfying horsemen of blocking, defederating, replying to each one until your fingers start to hurt, or seething silently. And every so often having a moderator delete one explicitly racist comment isn't the answer.

The model I am trying to make is that if you're consistently getting downvotes from trusted members of the community, out you go. The theory is that that will make the whole thing less excruciating. You can look more about it at !santabot. I don't know if it it going to work. But something must be done.

Edit: Fixed the link. There is no Pleastant Politics.

tektite ,

You've got a typo in your community name

!pleasantpolitics

auk ,

Fixed, thank you.

tmpod ,
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Oh that's an interesting tool. I've been thinking of working on something like that, but it seems someone has put in the work already, neat! I will be paying attention at that experimental community, seems promising.

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