goldenlocks

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goldenlocks ,

Vote for Jill Stein and support the Green party in any way you can.

goldenlocks ,

I don't see how voting for what the post shows helps. That's what you're doing with a vote for Trump or Biden. We need to grow the Green party fast, no time left for your Dem shilling.

goldenlocks ,

We need to grow the party. You just voted and sat around watching our planet be destroyed, we have to do more.

goldenlocks ,

My ‘dem shilling’ is based on cold hard facts.

Where? You've presented nothing.

I have thrown away votes on Jill Stein before. Rally support for third parties in local elections till the cows come home. Please! But if you think Jill Stein has any chance of accomplishing anything aside from splitting the left in this or any election you are delusional.

Then what? You're too lazy to make change, you just vote and do nothing. I am making change in my community, what are you doing?

And personally Jill is the Hilary of the Greens. They can do better.

Then run for the candidacy. Green party is democratic unlike the "Dem" side of capitalism you want to vote for and she was the most popular candidate by far.

goldenlocks ,

No, that's when you vote for things you don't agree with.

goldenlocks ,

Are you even from the US to make any kind of knowledgeable comment on our politics?
Look at my account

I ask because we don’t call our news the post.

The literal post we're commenting on.

Also you clearly didn’t know of what you speak considering what happened last time people tried to really a third party vote here.

We're not even taking votes from Dems, going for non-voters.

goldenlocks ,

Clearly old enough to vote

goldenlocks ,

Gotcha, from the US. The Greens don't spend money trying to fight against Dem party narratives (Russia/Republican funded and spoiler) that Dem voters hear because it's mostly a lost cause. We try to target working people that don't vote

goldenlocks ,

My ‘dem shilling’ is based on cold hard facts.

Says the person who makes this statement without providing any sources.

goldenlocks ,

Jill Stein will be on most ballots

goldenlocks ,

Voting for either major party is an endorsement of the FPTP voting system, pledging you will not make it change. That's a disastrous choice.

goldenlocks ,

I'm proud to express democracy by voting for Jill Stein, no matter how much liberals don't want to accept that.

goldenlocks ,

Projection, you're literally voting for someone you don't agree with, so you have a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy.

goldenlocks ,

No, which is why I don't vote for them

goldenlocks ,

Hilarious, you are so clueless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting Theres a list of countries on there for you to look at, they have several options for parties, and many come and go in popularity.

You simply choose to consent to a duopoly out of pure foolishness.

goldenlocks ,

Jill Stein

goldenlocks ,

Who said i disagree with him?

You claim to be against genocide several times on your account.

And I also know that compromise is how things get accomplished.

Your strategy has managed to move this country to the extreme right wing. Time to admit it doesn't work and try something else.

Go ahead and look through a history book and see how many times protest votes and not booting succeeded in actionable results.

Oh the irony, you're the one with reading to do. I'm building a movement to improve the country and it starts with support. You would be proudly shouting down civil rights protestors back in the day.

goldenlocks ,

Nope, re-read the comment, it says "Jill Stein"

goldenlocks ,

Voting for Biden is a sure way to show support against ranked choice voting, instead you could build support for an opposition.

goldenlocks ,

You're the one doing nothing, yes I went though history and checked, turns out not doing anything like you changes nothing. Your plan: vote dem and do nothing for 4 years. My plan: build a movement by supporting the Green party so we have an opposition forcing the Dems to give concessions.

Hilarious.

goldenlocks ,

Where were you December 2019? 2015? I was voting green and supporting and donating to the greens.

goldenlocks ,

You’re going to…. “Build a movement.” Right. So, while you were checking on how much change was brought by doing nothing, did you come across the myriad people that “built movements?”

Wow, someone actually arguing that historically movements did not start small, you're a smart one /s.

Because that shit pretty much started back in the 60’s. And it took them until 1984 to even start the Green Party. And they’re been “building movements” since.

More than you've ever achieved in your life.

So what exactly are you going to do differently than people more organized and smarter than you didn’t do over the past four decades?

I use my skills in web development to help them out with several state party websites, and much more. So happy I have things to be proud of instead of being you.

goldenlocks ,

if all third-party voters had instead voted for Hillary Clinton.

You mean the Libertarian party that got 3x the votes of the Green party? They aint voting for Dems, ever. Same with Green party voters so your argument is void.

In each of these states, the number of third-party votes was significantly higher than Trump’s margin of victory.

Most of which are libertarian votes, also you are not entitled to any votes, that's not how it works.

I’m not trying to place blame. But I am trying to suggest that we first need ranked voting before we can have more than two parties.

Which is why supporting and building the Green party is so important, so we can fight for RCV.

If you want Green (on Election Day)… you get Trump.

If you don't want RCV or universal healthcare, you vote for Biden.

goldenlocks ,

I'm making it a reality, you are submitting to duopoly for no reason.

goldenlocks ,

I am doing what I feel is the best way to keep the right wing out of power.

I can respect that, but you're voting for right wingers, making the problem worse.

Greens have historically put several important issues into the public view, especially with climate change. We have had some success with local politics as well, and are poised to make a run a 5% of the general here in November. These are all better than Dems moving us to the right.

goldenlocks ,

I don’t see many people taking you seriously

Nice projection. Helps you cope.

Check this out: https://x.com/DrJillStein/status/1794064682745229765

goldenlocks ,

But they didn’t put them there.

Yeah, they did.

the party’s marketing is terrible. The average Joe doesn’t know anything about them.

Then donate or volunteer and do something about it like I am.

I’m never going to get what I want from a single vote.

Yeah, it will take several. But you choose to not start that process.

Ranked voting should be the single focus of the Green Party. They will not ever be elected without it. Nothing can actually topple the Big Two without it.

It is, what are you doing to achieve that?

goldenlocks ,

What are you doing to get RCV? I'm voting for a candidate that supports it.

goldenlocks ,

The only way that could possibly effective is if it was paired with comprehensive voting reform in every state (well, every state that matters).

Yes, we're working on that unlike the Dems.

A third party cannot win with the current first-past-the-post system.

Yeah they can, if you vote for them.

That’s how you end up with something like (theoretically) 25% Stein, 35% Biden, 40% Trump, and Trump wins because he had the plurality. Great.

RFK not exist?

goldenlocks ,

Donating, volunteering, gathering support for the largest party that supports RCV

goldenlocks ,

Russian government-linked Internet Research Agency (IRA), the troll group indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller earlier this year.

https://apnews.com/article/7527e051bd8c4be1beef9d7c37c8290e

The Justice Department is moving to drop charges against two Russian companies that were accused of funding a social media campaign to sway American public opinion during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

LOL

goldenlocks ,

Become the largest party that supports RCV

goldenlocks ,

More than you 👍

goldenlocks ,

The charges were dropped for completely unrelated issues.

Aww.. you're sad they didn't have evidence. Pity.

Stein is not in prison, and is back on the campaign trail, they wouldn't allow it if they had a shred of evidence. Notice how you vaguely say there is without presenting any.

Loving this beatdown of your pathetic attempt portray her as Russian funded!

goldenlocks ,

Try starting a party then.

goldenlocks ,

Finally, the last resort of the liberal: calling me Russian when they lost the argument!

You're so sad Stein isn't in prison like you want.

goldenlocks ,

Conservative vote is being split by libertarians and RFK, so it's a great opportunity for the Green party. Notice how the spoiler argument is never used against the libertarians?

goldenlocks ,

Puts pressure on duopoly to make changes, and builds support for the Green party for future efforts

goldenlocks ,

I've never seen it. It's only Dems making the argument while ignoring the Libertarian party pulls far more Republican voters than the Green party pulls Democratic voters.

goldenlocks ,

It's not worth it to do nothing and have no plan for improving the country.

goldenlocks ,

The plan is growing the largest decent party we have. What's your plan?

goldenlocks ,

Yeah sure go for it, but the Justice Democrats tried that and always end up voting along with the right wing Dems.

goldenlocks ,

Stop bending over for the duopoly. Do something about it like I am.

goldenlocks ,

Supporting, donating, and spreading the message to friends and family about the Green party. It is the largest decent party in the US so a good base to build from. What everyone else on this site does is complain about voting for Joe Biden instead of doing anything.

goldenlocks ,

This election is unique with weak duopoly candidates and RFK polling up to 10% in some polls. So there is a chance for the Green party, a very slim one to win but realistically could achieve 5% to gain increased federal funding for future elections.

In my view Biden's administration is just as fascist as Trump in their work to prevent a third party option. So that's why I try to build a new party, but can understand if you see his administration differently.

goldenlocks ,

Trump is following a plan and colluding with others in the GOP and DOJ to topple all democracy and install a dictatorship

Same old story every 4 years. Trump will likely win in November, and I'll be on here gathering support for the Greens or PSLs regardless. In 2028 you will use the same argument without ever supporting another decent party.

goldenlocks ,

I mean they literally have a publicly available plan…

To scare the weak willed into submitting to the duopoly.

I will vote for the party with the best chance of defeating them

Then make a better party more popular instead of complaining.

We have to push incumbents towards legislation that benefits 3rd party options to see any real headway in the 3rd party category

Why would they? They're already in office.

goldenlocks ,

Thanks, we will fight for you whether you like it or not.

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