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18+ israelwarcrimes , to palestine group
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"The Most Moral Army in The World" hired an Onlyfans whore to do propaganda for them.

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finche ,
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@israelwarcrimes @palestine @israel

Could you substantiate your allegations or do you take the misogynic liberty to call a woman a whore?

:))

finche ,
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@israelwarcrimes @palestine @israel

Sorry, but this is not an answer to accept. May I presume, you couldn't substantiate your allegations?

finche ,
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@israelwarcrimes @palestine @israel

It is the pattern I am aquainted with since "debating" with a special sort of people.

First there is a statement. Maybe a lie.

Second there is the statement reiterated and ornated.

Third there is a dumb ad personam statement.

This is the trias of disputing the middle east conflict.

My compliments:)) Great learning you did.

appassionato , (edited ) to bookstodon group
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Activestills Photography as Protest in Palestine/Israel by Vered Maimon & Shiraz Grinbaum, 2016

This book is a joint contemplation about the body of work produced by the Activestills photography collective from its inception in 2005 up to 2016. It includes the perspectives of activists, journalists,
historians and theoreticians of photography, and the collective’s members themselves.

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in an effort to articulate the distinctive position that Activestills embody within the fields of photojournalism and documentary photography as well as within the realm of political engagement. With this collaborative project, we wish to place the collective’s now decade-long involvement with political struggles in Palestine/Israel as a milestone of activist photography. Our examination is directed at both the past and the future. By looking back at the collective’s political and photographic forms of intervention in specific historical and geographical milieus, we aim not only to point to photography’s changing status and role within contemporary global visual culture, but also to outline the possibilities and potentialities for a critical practice and theory of photography in the future. We conceived this project as opening a shared space for thought and action, photographs and texts; a dialogic sphere between viewers, photographers, and subjects photographed, marking Activestills’ long-term commitment to cooperation and joint communal struggles. In this regard, this book is configured not as a catalogue documenting or summarizing the work of the collective, but as an effort to continue and expand its political, material, and perceptual modes of mediation, intervention, and action.
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    • finche ,
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    @appassionato

    Nothing said against the the. quality, it's professional.

    But the sujet... It's laughable. There are some playing childs to be seen, pretending being at war. They should be back to school after being advised not to do so any longer while being soldiers around.

    Miro_Collas , to palestine group
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    UK forces may be deployed on the ground in Gaza to help deliver aid
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68909511

    This is simply insane ... literally! They continue to supply arms to Israel, which enables it to continue killing and starving Palestinians - then do this nonsense with a pier, rather than pressuring for existing entries to be opened. I question the sanity of the leadership of the US and UK.


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    finche ,
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    @Miro_Collas @palestine

    I'am rushing to help if appropriate.

    What do you think differs whether aid coming in the way you propose and the other way?

    If you think of Hamas laying hand on this aid?

    Just my 2 cents.

    Miro_Collas , to palestine group
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    Israel’s war on Gaza live: 180 bodies retrieved from Khan Younis mass grave | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/21/israels-war-on-gaza-live-mother-child-among-killed-in-new-rafah-strike

    • Mass graves ‘an indication that war crimes have been commited’ [The US is ok with this, clearly]
    • German Chancellor warns Netanyahu against escalation
    • Seven killed in Israeli strike on Nuseirat refugee camp: Report
    • Gantz asks Blinken to reconsider US sanction of Israeli battalion: Axios reporter


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    finche ,
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    @Miro_Collas @palestine What about the fact these corpses had nothing to do with Israel?

    Is there any proof it was Israel having killed those poor individuals?

    Pls let me know if so.

    finche ,
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    @Miro_Collas @palestine That, dear user. I never said and I wouldn't dare in that foggy situation full of "useful information".

    I put a simple question, because none of us can tell the truth without knowing things for sure.

    Don't confuse that with zionism, it isn't. I wish to know the facts and additionally I would wish more people to do. For it would be the way to a settlement and justice IMO.

    finche ,
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    @Alexandrad1 @Miro_Collas @palestine I don't say so exactly, I wouldn't dare.

    I don't want to fall for like you won't. Therefore I wanted to point out, that the corpses could have been murdered by Israel, but that isn't sure. There are individuals in Gaza, often called terrorists, known for brutality, and so I didn't rule out a deed of palestinian murderers as well.

    The case has to be investigated, don't you think?

    finche ,
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    @Miro_Collas @Alexandrad1 @palestine Sorry to say, but you didn't, made sure just at that moment:)

    You put an earnest question up to me: why Pal. should murder their countrymen?

    I don't know these cases in detail therefore I don't know anything in that special case.

    a)Who are these people? Are they Palestinians, are they IL subjects? Nobody knows.

    b) Do IDF soldiers take the time to torture captives at the site?

    c)Do you believe a terrorist-run entity to maintain a constitutional state?

    finche ,
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    @Alexandrad1 @Miro_Collas @palestine

    Sorry, that is not the sort of discussion I want to engage in. This is, I beg your pardon, some emotional talk to be talked in bars, streets or rallyies.

    But, in short: I don't believe there have been nearly 200 Israeli there.

    And, pardon again, thinking of the strip as a concentration camp does nothing than expose your knowledge of the organization of concentration camps.

    finche ,
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    @Miro_Collas @Alexandrad1 @palestine
    Feel free to do so.

    But let me state, that IMO your allegations are unfair.

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    I did not tag a person for spreading disinformation, I tagged to make my posts for all those visible, which are interested in this subject.

    I am not in the habit to insult those I'm discussing with.

    Therefore it might have been wiser to first ask, then being indignant.

    I wish you a good evening/night, too.

    GottaLaff , to random
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    The U.S. is pushing for a deal that presses to accept Palestinian statehood in exchange for diplomatic recognition by Saudi Arabia —WSJ

    finche ,
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    @GottaLaff Do you see any good for Israel in accepting?

    Many agree there is no majority in both Palestine and Israel for establishing a 2 state solution. Why do what America wants to be done, if locals don't want this also?

    Is it a election thing? Couldn't make any sense out of it.

    oatmeal , to palestine group
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    / Smotrich is refusing to transfer 600 million shekels that would allow expanding humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip

    is reporting that a political source stated that Finance Minister is refusing to transfer 600 million shekels from the war budget to improve infrastructure that would allow expanding humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip. The funds were intended for projects like renovating Route 10, opening a passage for goods movement in northern Gaza, and expanding the Kerem Shalom crossing.

    According to the source, , Defense Minister Gallant, and Minister made this decision after being authorized by the Cabinet, stipulating the money should come from the government budget and not from the budgets of various ministries. Minister Smotrich has not yet responded to these statements.

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    finche ,
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    @oatmeal @israel @palestine I don't understand what's this is about.

    Are there ideas that Israeli infrastructure has to adapt to the need of humanitarian help?

    Are there the idea Gaza's situation will improve if there are amendments in Israeli infrastructure?

    I am not sure about the latter having learned from difficulties to supply goods in Gaza.

    Maybe we are learning more.

    finche ,
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    @oatmeal @israel @palestine Thank you very much for sharing:)

    What about Israel's planning to cut all connections to Gaza and leave it alone? There had been such ideas for the time after war. Such preconditions given nobody would like to invest much money in border infrastructure...

    The point is: will that better the supply in Gaza? I really hope there will be procedures implemented to end the starving.

    faab64 , to israel group

    Some 52 years ago, when I was in 4th grade of primary school, I found a book "who put glasses on the kid's eyes" in a small book shop in open bazaar of my hometown Ahvaz in khuzestan province of Iran.

    A few days later, we had to bring a book to school and read it in front of the class. Happy as I was to have found a great book, I took it to school and read it in front of the class.

    I couldn't understand why my teacher was acting so scared and stopped me before I had finished the book and sent me to the principals office.
    I was nervous, didn't know what I had done wrong and our principal, who was a really nice man, and went to the same university as my oldest sister took the book and asked me where I had bought it. I knew something was wrong, so I said I bought it at the book store of our local mosque, to protect the guy who was my source of cheap and lovely books and would buy back my old ones to help me afford buying new ones.

    In the evening my father came home, agitated and clearly upset. Asked me what I have done and I explained the situation, including the fact that I lied about wher I had bought the book. Told him the highlight of the book about a happy child who was living in a town with happy people who were all wearing glasses.

    He was seeing flowers, colorful houses. Nice people and happy children all around him, birds flying in the sky and everyone were so friendly to him.

    Until one day he fell of and his glasses broke. He couldn't believe his eyes, the flowers, colorful houses and happy people were all gone. All he could see was a run down city, with piles of garbage everywhere, people wearing worn out clothes, looking hungry and sick.

    He was nece happy after that, he couldn't believe that everyone were walking around with glasses and we're happy all the time. But he was sad and miserable, because he had seen his town without those glasses.

    Anyway. My father took me to a building close to the main police station on the other side of the Karun river, he spent almost entire day in a room where I could people screaming at him and a few times someone his the table very hard. But couldn't hear what they were saying.
    My dad came out. Pulled my hand without saying a word, we walked for an hour to get home, didn't take taxi as we used to do.

    He didn't say a word during the whole day and told me to go over my books and bring all the books I had bought from that shop, he through them in a metal bucket and poured some fuel over it, set them on fire and waited until they were completely burned, mixed the ashes to turn them into dust, filled the bucket with water and through it in the toilet.

    He told me to never go back to that shop and be careful to take any books to school from now on.

    That' was my first interaction with the notorious Savak police of Shah of Iran. In the next days, all the 4 book stores in our town were raided. Books confiscated and doors locked. Never heard about any of them again.

    Reading the comments of pro Israeli accounts on mastodon reminded me of that book and that experience that changed my life when I was only 8 years old.

    This post specially triggered those memories. Unlike the kid in my book and the people living in the town, these people know very well tat what they are posting is not true, they have seen the horror of the past 76 years of occupation, they have seen the 66 times they were subject to UNSC charges, and 45 that were vetoed by the US..

    But they don't care, they see themselves as victims. They don't see the millions of starving palestinians, or the millions living in refuge camps around the world as worthy of their empathy or cause of why Palestinians and some of the world is fed up with their out of control criminal behavior

    They don't have glasses on their eyes, they have chosen to be selective and above the laws of the world.

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    finche ,
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    @faab64 @palestine @israel

    This was a wonderful story, I loved it. And I can't think of a child feelings growing up under those sad conditions.

    But it maybe wrong to yell at your opponents here, me being one of them.

    I thought of the one who is wearing the glasses nowadays. Is it really me? What is making you sure it isn't you?

    finche ,
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    @faab64 @palestine @israel I accept your right for looking at it this way.

    So do civilized people behave.

    But I think you might be overlooking some discussing points, so you come to that conclusions you draw. Be it so.

    But: I am not backing terrorism in any way, so I don't support any Israeli extremism like purging land from it's owners. But I won't refer to Israel as Palestine under occupation.

    Hopefully we all are wiser in some time.

    finche ,
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    @faab64 @palestine @israel There are some points worthy to discuss.

    The swing of Israeli society to Rightists is beyond my understanding. Maybe there was a majority in fear of being overwhelmed by Arab neighbours with ideas to clean Israel from the map or maybe there were other reasons in a challenged society.
    There is no excuse partnering with hamas in first leading to the October massacre in consequence. IMO.

    I am thinking of the building of the state of Israel 1948 as a rightful act.

    finche ,
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    @Provinto @faab64 @palestine @israel Thks for mentioning that.

    Personally I thought of a one state solution, too. No one in the region seems to like the two state idea much and therefore it shouldn't be implemented.

    Forming one state for housing Palestians as well as Jews would be forming an entity strong enough for a sustainable economy as a basis for prosperity of all the inhabitants. In theory.

    But I doubt if they were the politicians on both sides to make it their project.

    finche ,
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    @Provinto @faab64 @palestine @israel Stop it, pls.

    To my knowledge, I might be wrong, there wasn't a thing like Palestine up to the time, Y. Arafat invents it.

    I really being cautious before mentioning ethnic cleansing. As a German I had to be.

    I know little bit of Nakhba. But I know also from Jews driven out of Arab countries following establishing Israel.

    I am not interested in promoting injustice. And so I will guard my words.

    finche ,
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    @tinfoiling @palestine @Provinto @faab64 @israel Thank you for correcting that!

    finche ,
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    @oatmeal @Provinto @faab64 @palestine @israel I will gladly follow your advice to learn more about that subject:)

    I know of the reduction of the numbers of Jews living in Arab countries. And I knew from hatred against Jews/Israelis. Social media are full of it.

    We mustn't overlook the political situation as a whole: it was the time of decolonization and therefore the opportunity of arab elites to form the society to their ideas. Don't you think so, too?

    finche ,
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    @FloydyStu @Provinto @faab64 @palestine @israel Pls, not so hasty.:)

    I was wrong over that. England and France took dome land from the former Osman kingdom(?) and administrated it under UN auspices.

    There were rumours and England wanted to end the mandate and therefore UN considered about the future. There was an agreement, arabs opposed feeling it was too positive for the Jews. In fact, it was a curiosity if it comes to the mapping.

    IL declared statehood, the arabs waged war. Ok?

    finche ,
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    @FloydyStu @Provinto @faab64 @palestine @israel Cant correct spelling and grammar afterwards. Sry

    finche ,
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    @oatmeal @palestine @israel Thank you. I'm a bit distracted and so we must postpone our conversation.

    Hopefully we can go further later on.

    MikeDunnAuthor , to random
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    Today In Labor History April 8, 1948: The Irgun and Lehi Zionist paramilitary slaughtered over 100 Palestinians in the Deir Yassin massacre, near Jerusalem. Many of the victims were women and children. Rape and mutilation were also alleged. It was part of the Nakba and expulsion of Palestinians from Palestine. As news of the massacre spread, it sparked terror among Palestinians throughout the region, convincing many to flee their homes. It also strengthened the resolve of Arab governments to attack, which they did a few weeks later, sparking the Arab-Israeli War of 1948. Menachim Begin was leader of the Irgun at the time. He went on to found the Likud Party and he became prime minister of Israel from 1977 to 1983. Many Arab states produced postage stamps commemorating the massacre. All of them use the image of a map of Palestine with a bloody dagger thrust into it.

    Postage stamp from Kuwait commemorating the Deir Yassin massacre. It depicts a purple map of Palestine with a bloody dagger thrust into it. It reads: The twentieth anniversary of the cruel aggression and massacre of Deir Yassin in Arab Palestine. By Unknown author - https://www.ebay.com/itm/KUWAIT-P0305BB-DEIR-YASSIN-SG-388-9-MNH/123768168156, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=103480499
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    • finche ,
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    @MikeDunnAuthor
    This is, what Wikipedia says (German Version).
    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massaker_von_Deir_Yasin

    The massacre took place, the bodycount is discussed. All of this was part of a fierce civil war between arabs and jews in those days. The arabs managed to cut off Jerusalem from supply of food and jewish fighters want to break through.

    So, pls, tell us the whole story and not only the part you may prefer.

    finche ,
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    @MikeDunnAuthor You shouldn't put me wrong, pls. I'm not backing the events.

    But, you took side with your selection of the slice of history. And I took side, too. Not for terrorism, but for telling the whole truth. Or at least, a little bit more than you did.

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