Es ist krass, wieviel #NotAllMen hier ausgespuckt wird, wenn es darum geht, wieviele Frauen von Männern umgebracht werden.
Hallo?!? Wie wär's, wenn Ihr einfach darüber nachdenkt, dass das eine ganz furchtbare Situation ist? Und dass sich das ändern muss? Die Zahlen sind auf dem Tisch, da gibt's nichts zu diskutieren.
Und wenn Ihr versucht, das wegzureden, dann stellt sich zwangsläufig die Frage, warum Ihr darüber lieber nicht reden wollt.
I think the general mentality is that when a person makes broad, generalized statements about a group while members of that group, who have committed no offense themselves, are part of the audience for that statement, it's tough to not feel that as a personal attack for something they were born as and have no control over.
Don't get me wrong, the "#notallmen" gets overused (e.g. if a woman is talking about violence carried out against women by men, that is not a generalization of all men, that's just pointing at specifically the men that are violent toward women, and saying #notallmen is just derailing the conversation).
But having very reasonable feelings and bad experiences doesn't grant carte blanche to be shitty toward people who have committed no offense. If you're doing it in a close group of other women, then fine, whatever. But doing it in an audience with men (who have committed no offense) tells those men they have no place here, that they belong to the out group. We're not talking about violent men, or misogynistic men, we're talking about men, of which you are a part.
What I think other people have touched on is that in no other circumstance is it okay to generalize a group for things they were born as and can't change (in humans, anyway), except apparently men. And you may call it just letting people have their feelings, but letting that idea go leads to things like the Duluth Model, assuming any violence between a man and women must be the man's fault, and prevents men from coming forward about their own instances of domestic violence against them.
And don't think I don't understand the argument! Pit bulls can be some of the most loving, caring dogs, but they can also be monsters that could end you in seconds. Is it reasonable to by wary of a pit bull you don't know well? Absolutely! Is it a well-trained pit bull's fault that it is physically capable if mass murder? No, of course not, it can't help what it was born as. It just wants loves. So is it reasonable to say pit bulls are scary? Yes. Is it reasonable to say pit bulls are awful, vicious monsters? No. But the difference is, even if you do, the good pit bull doesn't understand that you are calling it a monster. Men do.
Fucking obviously that’s not what I’m saying, you’re not that dense. Just say #notallmen and start harassing someone else. I didn’t realize I was communicating with an actual clown this whole time.
In the context of my comment it was an ironic reference to the #NotAllMen hashtag wich, as I understood it, was often used by men downplaying the concerns of women and relativising common problems and fears they encounter by saying that not all men are that way. While technically true, it undermined the severity of the issues. As it was the case wih the original commenter here, who meanwhile deleted his comment or got it deleted. Their original comment reminded me of the hashtag.
After a few downvotes I added the irony flag, as I got the impression that my ironic use of the hashtag was not obvious to some readers here.
I'm a cis, heterosexual, white male. I also pretty heavily defend human rights, try not to be a skeeze ball, and like to think of myself as generally a pretty decent dude. During the height of the MeToo movement and the #NotAllMen thing, though, it really felt like society as a large, or at least the parts of it I want to occupy, viewed many aspects of my simple existence as villainous.
Believe me, I KNOW that no one reasonable has ever thought it was all men, or all white people, or all straight people, or all cis gendered people. That doesn't stop it from hurting anymore when you're walking around the city with a woman you consider a really good friend, and she's posting pictures of stickers that actually DO say "all men suck" she finds to social media.
I'm also not blind. I know this is the same treatment that marginalized groups have faced since the dawn of time. Maybe it's finally time for men to get theirs. Or, we can all acknowledge that any condemnation over an immutable human feature just plain sucks. Just my 2 cents on the matter.
During the height of the MeToo movement and the #NotAllMen thing, though, it really felt like society as a large, or at least the parts of it I want to occupy, viewed many aspects of my simple existence as villainous.
I just stopped bothering. My input was clearly neither desired nor welcome, so I stopped offering it. I'll happily stay out of the way, but if they want active support I want to stop hearing that my opinion isn't valid on any given set of subjects, before I even voice it.
Local woman convinced that misogyny is no longer a problem thanks to man shouting "Not All Men" every time she talks ( chaser.com.au )
Son, we need to have a serious talk! ( lemmy.world )
The Perception Paradox: Men Who Hate Feminists Think Feminists Hate Men ( msmagazine.com )
Shout-out to Jim Doyle for being relatively normal about women ( hexbear.net )
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