NeuronautML ,

Sure thing "not genocide" Joe.

US investigated themselves and found themselves innocent of all blame in the murder of thousands of people. Israel was innocent too, funny that. No need to check.

Zerush ,
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The human brain has two halves, one left and one right. The problem with US presidents is that in the left one remains nothing right and in the right one are nothing left.

IchNichtenLichten ,
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I got you Joe, right here:

"It also said no aid trucks have entered the territory in the past two days via a floating pier set up by the US for sea deliveries, and warned that the $320m (£250m) project may fail unless Israel starts providing the conditions humanitarian groups need to operate safely."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/21/un-suspends-food-aid-in-rafah-over-lack-of-supplies-and-insecurity

"The UN Genocide Convention lists five acts that fall under its definition. ... Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.”

https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

Hegar ,
@Hegar@kbin.social avatar

I generally recoil from comparing biden to putin but this really requires russian levels of post-truth politics.

Israel is committing war crimes like trump commits all his crimes - openly, in public and shielded by US elites.

conditional_soup ,

It's a regional dialect, that's what he calls genocide.

LarkinDePark ,

But the thing that's happening in Xinjiang that there's no evidence for, that's totally a genocide. Trust me bro.

HuddaBudda ,
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What is Biden's definition of a genocide then? I am seriously curious.

Because many people that are leaving his cabinet, they seem to think it is a genocide.

Students seem to think it's a genocide.

The public thinks it's a genocide.

The Jewish and Israeli population think it is a genocide.

So... everyone else is wrong then?

jordanlund ,
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In the end, it doesn't matter how he defines it. We are signatories to the UN and the UN definition in Article II of the "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide" is:

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

a) Killing members of the group;

b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Note the language: "ANY of the following acts".

Israel is now 5/5 with the relocation of children from Gaza to the West Bank.

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/13/1238227682/orphans-gaza-rafah-israel-west-bank-sos-childrens-village-international

FlexibleToast ,

I've heard the argument that it isn't genocide because Isreal doesn't intend to destroy Palestinians. I guess their defense is that Isreal is just incredibly inept at fighting a war? I don't buy it. How anyone can deny the genocide after the World Central Kitchen incident is beyond me.

Johandea ,

In order to be classified as a genocide, it has to fulfill these two criteria:

  1. Be a genocide
  2. Not be committed by me or my allies

It's that simple!

Willy ,

It is not genocide. In about 2 minutes or less, the entire palastinian population could be wiped out.

Sodium_nitride ,

How? With a nuke? In that close of proximity with the Israeli mainland?

davel ,
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nkat2112 ,
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His point just isn't convincing.

DmMacniel ,

What do you call indescrimate shooting at civilians in the hope to kill terrorists, the systematic displacement of civilians, the cutting off of crucial infrastructure and aid?

I really would love to ask Biden that.

tabarnaski ,

I'm pro-Palestine, I think what Israel is doing in Gaza is definitely a genocide, but seriously, what do you think would happen from a geopolitical standpoint if Biden said "yeah, I think the ICC is right, please stop this genocide Bibi"? The US can't afford to lose Israel as an ally so it needs to be subtle.

Zaktor ,

The US can’t afford to lose Israel as an ally so it needs to be subtle.

Israel is not in any way a critical US ally. Their influence in the region is basically non-existent and their inclusion in our various Middle Eastern adventures would do more harm than good so they're never asked. They're a client state heavily dependent on US arms and diplomatic protection, not some highly desirable ally we need to carefully court.

electric_nan ,

This is a sick way of thinking, that we would have allies in spite of them committing genocide, but neither is it new territory for the US. That said, what is the 'realpolitik' reason that we "can't afford to lose Israel as an ally"?

DmMacniel ,

What's the reason why the US can't afford to lose Israel?

dessalines ,
magguzu ,

Counterpoint: it's an election year and Biden does not want to lose the Jewish Dem vote.

The system is fucked.

coolusername ,

What terrorists? Israel legally speaking Israel does not have the right to defend itself. Oct 7 was a success MILITARY operation and no, mass rape and the other atrocity propaganda did not happen.

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